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TOY: Anybody willing to try this?
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Does not seem like a good idea to me?
John
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Subject: TOY: 89 4runner problem
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I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If you
turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes the starter
do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery is good, it's new
and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts right up everytime...no
problem, it just won't start anymore with only one battery. My tech hasn't
the slightest idea what this is. I hear a clicking sound behind the dash up
by the firewall when I turn the key, it has gotten pretty noticable. Anybody
had this issue before?
Alex Cagann
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Alex Cagann wrote:
> I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If
> you turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes
> the starter do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery
> is good, it's new and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts
> right up everytime...no problem, it just won't start anymore with only
> one battery. My tech hasn't the slightest idea what this is. I hear a
> clicking sound behind the dash up by the firewall when I turn the key,
> it has gotten pretty noticable. Anybody had this issue before?
>
> Alex Cagann
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
Check your grounds..clean the corrosion on the battery with baking soda.
Replace the startig cable.
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Karl
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Subject: TOY: Re: 89 4runner problem
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I haven't had this exact issue before. But, I would like to pass on some
personal advice that might save you some $$ or heartache. I have a 93
Pick-Up, and am the original owner. What you mention, could be the starter,
could be the generator (sorry folks, I'm an old guy and still call the
alternator a generator, hehe), or a problem with the coil or coil wire that
goes to the distributor. I even "believed" that it might have been the
ignition switch, meaning the little thingie (as you call it) that you put
your key into, to turn the engine on. After replacing the starter, myself
(thank God for core charges, as I now feel I "bought" my truck a Christmas
present, more so than replacing the starter, which probably didn't need
replacing), I decided to brain-storm with my "baby" brother. I have spoken
about dirt on these postings before, and will now relate another tale of
"Dirt and My Toyota!" I live in the desert and have no services close by,
meaning within a 300 mile radius. My brother says to me, "Have you cleaned
your battery cables/clamps?" After a "huh" and a few other words my
grandmother never liked hearing from my Uncle Joe, after he hit his thumb
with a hammer while doing work around the farm, I went out to the truck.
First, I took the clamps off of the battery cables, negative one first, and
scrubbed the battery posts with a battery cleaner brush. Any wire brush
will do. Then, I scrubbed the clamps and their insides the same way. Then,
I held each wire that came off of the clamps in my fingers, and scrubbed the
ends of them (just the ends with no insulation on them that came out of the
clamps) and reinstalled them into the clamps and onto the battery. I then
pried open the battery (any battery that you buy, that says "maintenance
free" on it, but that does not have the green eye on it, is not a truly
maintenance free battery, and replaced the fluid level in each cell to the
required "height" with distilled water. I also wiped the battery down.
Bingo! My truck turned over like on the day it is born, in Tennessee in
1993! So, I am willing to bet, that if you clean your cable ends and clamps
and check the water level in your battery, that your engine will fire up,
with no problems. I have discovered with my pick-up, that there really
isn't much that can wrong with it, as I do all the work on it myself and
know what things cost and how to get the job done (get a Chilton's!). I now
do this bit of cleaning twice a year, and have added it to my preventive
maintenance schedule of things to do. I also have a battery tester (great
one from NorthernTools.com at a great price, too), and also check and
recharge, if needed (sears has a nice charger, also for a great price, under
65 bucks if I remember) twice a year when I do my PM on my truck. I am sure
this is all that might be wrong, and please let us all know if my tip
worked. If not, then everybody should think about my tip, and if you live
in a dirty or dusty environment, then you might want to consider adding it
to your things-to-do list, also. Thank you!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cagann" <alex@autoconsortium.com>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
Subject: TOY: 89 4runner problem
>I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If you
>turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes the starter
>do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery is good, it's new
>and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts right up everytime...no
>problem, it just won't start anymore with only one battery. My tech hasn't
>the slightest idea what this is. I hear a clicking sound behind the dash up
>by the firewall when I turn the key, it has gotten pretty noticable.
>Anybody had this issue before?
>
> Alex Cagann
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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Subject: TOY: Re: Re: 89 4runner problem
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All, I almost forgot to say this. Just because you got a new battery,
doesn't mean the tech "really" cleaned the cables and posts. Sometimes
people think the post on a new battery don't need scrubbing, and they don't
do it. Also, when you take the cables out of the clamps, if the ends don't
really look dirty, clean them with the wire brush, anyway. Also, if they
really look scrungy, cut the ends of the wire off (should only be about a
1/4 inch) and then peel back the insulation on the cable to expose another
1/4 inch of wire. Try to turn or twist the wires together (which is hard to
do, but at least when you slip them back into the clamp, they will at least
be near/next to each other) before you put them back into the clamp.
Remember, the groove they fit into under the hold down clamp is small. Good
luck!
----- Original Message -----
From: "myles.stewart" <myles.stewart@juno.com>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: TOY: Re: 89 4runner problem
>I haven't had this exact issue before. But, I would like to pass on some
>personal advice that might save you some $$ or heartache. I have a 93
>Pick-Up, and am the original owner. What you mention, could be the
>starter, could be the generator (sorry folks, I'm an old guy and still call
>the alternator a generator, hehe), or a problem with the coil or coil wire
>that goes to the distributor. I even "believed" that it might have been
>the ignition switch, meaning the little thingie (as you call it) that you
>put your key into, to turn the engine on. After replacing the starter,
>myself (thank God for core charges, as I now feel I "bought" my truck a
>Christmas present, more so than replacing the starter, which probably
>didn't need replacing), I decided to brain-storm with my "baby" brother. I
>have spoken about dirt on these postings before, and will now relate
>another tale of "Dirt and My Toyota!" I live in the desert and have no
>services close by, meaning within a 300 mile radius. My brother says to
>me, "Have you cleaned your battery cables/clamps?" After a "huh" and a few
>other words my grandmother never liked hearing from my Uncle Joe, after he
>hit his thumb with a hammer while doing work around the farm, I went out to
>the truck. First, I took the clamps off of the battery cables, negative one
>first, and scrubbed the battery posts with a battery cleaner brush. Any
>wire brush will do. Then, I scrubbed the clamps and their insides the same
>way. Then, I held each wire that came off of the clamps in my fingers, and
>scrubbed the ends of them (just the ends with no insulation on them that
>came out of the clamps) and reinstalled them into the clamps and onto the
>battery. I then pried open the battery (any battery that you buy, that
>says "maintenance free" on it, but that does not have the green eye on it,
>is not a truly maintenance free battery, and replaced the fluid level in
>each cell to the required "height" with distilled water. I also wiped the
>battery down. Bingo! My truck turned over like on the day it is born, in
>Tennessee in 1993! So, I am willing to bet, that if you clean your cable
>ends and clamps and check the water level in your battery, that your engine
>will fire up, with no problems. I have discovered with my pick-up, that
>there really isn't much that can wrong with it, as I do all the work on it
>myself and know what things cost and how to get the job done (get a
>Chilton's!). I now do this bit of cleaning twice a year, and have added it
>to my preventive maintenance schedule of things to do. I also have a
>battery tester (great one from NorthernTools.com at a great price, too),
>and also check and recharge, if needed (sears has a nice charger, also for
>a great price, under 65 bucks if I remember) twice a year when I do my PM
>on my truck. I am sure this is all that might be wrong, and please let us
>all know if my tip worked. If not, then everybody should think about my
>tip, and if you live in a dirty or dusty environment, then you might want
>to consider adding it to your things-to-do list, also. Thank you!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cagann" <alex@autoconsortium.com>
> To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
> Subject: TOY: 89 4runner problem
>
>
>>I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If you
>>turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes the
>>starter do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery is good,
>>it's new and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts right up
>>everytime...no problem, it just won't start anymore with only one battery.
>>My tech hasn't the slightest idea what this is. I hear a clicking sound
>>behind the dash up by the firewall when I turn the key, it has gotten
>>pretty noticable. Anybody had this issue before?
>>
>> Alex Cagann
>>
>> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>>
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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I just did some snooping around on this. The idea intrigues me so I'll
take the Pepsi challenge as it were and let people know what happens.
Just a little info on the vehicle to be guinea pigged:
1995 Toyota 4Runner, SR5 3.0l V6 automatic
Fuel sensitive mods:
DOA ported heads
DOA cams
3.5mm overbored throttle body
K&N FIPK
Downey Off-Road Headers (2.5" outlet)
Stock Cat
Flowmaster 50 series Delta flow muffler 2.5" in/out
Tires: 31x10.5 T/A's
As you might derive from the mods I've made I drive with a pretty heavy
foot. Currently I'm running 87 octane fuel (the source of refinery
changes from time to time as I visit an independent gas station) and get
an average of 12.1mpg with a mix of about 60/40 city/highway (longest
stretch I drive normally without having to stop/change speed
significantly is about 10 miles)
It seems that people have been experimenting with ratios in the range of
1.0oz per 10 gallons of fuel to 3.5oz per 10 gallons. I will start with
2oz per ten gallons and evaluate from there whether to lean or richen
the mixture.
Will let you all know what happens.
John Stowers wrote:
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
>
> Does not seem like a good idea to me?
>
> John
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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John Stowers wrote:
>
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
The author of that website says "In my Neon..."
Now what kind of authomotive "authority" would buy
a Dodge Neon? Jed Clampett or Jethro Bodine might
choose a Neon, but an automotive "authority"?
Paul Cherubini
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Thanks for the info Myles. I did clean all connections before. This is some
sort of electrical issue...I need to check the ground points, as you noted.
I wonder if the starter has a clean ground.
Alex
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To: <toyota@4x4wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: TOY: Re: 89 4runner problem
>I haven't had this exact issue before. But, I would like to pass on some
>personal advice that might save you some $$ or heartache. I have a 93
>Pick-Up, and am the original owner. What you mention, could be the
>starter, could be the generator (sorry folks, I'm an old guy and still call
>the alternator a generator, hehe), or a problem with the coil or coil wire
>that goes to the distributor. I even "believed" that it might have been
>the ignition switch, meaning the little thingie (as you call it) that you
>put your key into, to turn the engine on. After replacing the starter,
>myself (thank God for core charges, as I now feel I "bought" my truck a
>Christmas present, more so than replacing the starter, which probably
>didn't need replacing), I decided to brain-storm with my "baby" brother. I
>have spoken about dirt on these postings before, and will now relate
>another tale of "Dirt and My Toyota!" I live in the desert and have no
>services close by, meaning within a 300 mile radius. My brother says to
>me, "Have you cleaned your battery cables/clamps?" After a "huh" and a few
>other words my grandmother never liked hearing from my Uncle Joe, after he
>hit his thumb with a hammer while doing work around the farm, I went out to
>the truck. First, I took the clamps off of the battery cables, negative one
>first, and scrubbed the battery posts with a battery cleaner brush. Any
>wire brush will do. Then, I scrubbed the clamps and their insides the same
>way. Then, I held each wire that came off of the clamps in my fingers, and
>scrubbed the ends of them (just the ends with no insulation on them that
>came out of the clamps) and reinstalled them into the clamps and onto the
>battery. I then pried open the battery (any battery that you buy, that
>says "maintenance free" on it, but that does not have the green eye on it,
>is not a truly maintenance free battery, and replaced the fluid level in
>each cell to the required "height" with distilled water. I also wiped the
>battery down. Bingo! My truck turned over like on the day it is born, in
>Tennessee in 1993! So, I am willing to bet, that if you clean your cable
>ends and clamps and check the water level in your battery, that your engine
>will fire up, with no problems. I have discovered with my pick-up, that
>there really isn't much that can wrong with it, as I do all the work on it
>myself and know what things cost and how to get the job done (get a
>Chilton's!). I now do this bit of cleaning twice a year, and have added it
>to my preventive maintenance schedule of things to do. I also have a
>battery tester (great one from NorthernTools.com at a great price, too),
>and also check and recharge, if needed (sears has a nice charger, also for
>a great price, under 65 bucks if I remember) twice a year when I do my PM
>on my truck. I am sure this is all that might be wrong, and please let us
>all know if my tip worked. If not, then everybody should think about my
>tip, and if you live in a dirty or dusty environment, then you might want
>to consider adding it to your things-to-do list, also. Thank you!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cagann" <alex@autoconsortium.com>
> To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
> Subject: TOY: 89 4runner problem
>
>
>>I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If you
>>turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes the
>>starter do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery is good,
>>it's new and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts right up
>>everytime...no problem, it just won't start anymore with only one battery.
>>My tech hasn't the slightest idea what this is. I hear a clicking sound
>>behind the dash up by the firewall when I turn the key, it has gotten
>>pretty noticable. Anybody had this issue before?
>>
>> Alex Cagann
>>
>> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>>
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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You are welcome, Alex. If you are planning to check all of them, why not
check all negative and positive ones that run out of the battery? Just
follow them down the line and clean where they terminate. Also, you might
want to check all other wiring, too, because, if you are not the original
owner, there is a possibility that the previous owners have done nothing for
maintenance to the vehicle. I would even look for wear/damage/cracks on the
distributor cap and rotor, as well as run a meter on your spark plug wires.
When my problem happened, I was so frustrated that it drove me nuts. Then,
when my brother mentioned "cleaning" the old light bulb in my mind lit up.
I am serious when I tell you, that I have found most of my problems to be
nothing but dirt, and I am so thrilled that my truck runs great with simple
cleaning. Let me pass on another dirt related item to you and all that are
reading this. I have about 112.5K miles on my truck, and also have the
original shoes on my rear brakes. This last summer, I had some horrible
braking problems, thumping, with grinding noises. So, I assumed it was my
rear shoes. I popped off the drums, only to discover DIRT! My shoes still
had the same amount of meat on them, that they did 30K miles ago, when I
replaced the pads on the front, which really were worn. So, I shot some
brake cleaner all over the rear brakes and drums, and pulled out my pads in
front and cleaned them also, along with the shims, and my truck makes no
noises now and can stop on a dime! Unbelieveable! Anyway, for those who
may be interested, I do live in rural Nevada in the middle of the desert,
and with the wind as well as dirt roads (asphalt costs money and you can bet
your bottom dollar at 1 million bucks a mile nobody within 1K miles wants
their property taxes raised to put in a "road." So, all I can tell you is
what works for me. Dirt, I have found out, is the killer. Also, I don't
put a lot of miles on my truck, either, so having it sit every now and then
makes it the desert-dirt-magent, more so than driving it. Hope I've helped.
Oh, almost forgot. I now have "clean my brakes" on my list of things to do
twice a year, also. With all of my to-do lists I have on my truck, it
forces me to almost check out everything "before" any problems ocurr, and
not aftereards. Take care!...Myles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cagann" <alex@autoconsortium.com>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:38 PM
Subject: TOY: Re: Re: 89 4runner problem
> Thanks for the info Myles. I did clean all connections before. This is
> some sort of electrical issue...I need to check the ground points, as you
> noted. I wonder if the starter has a clean ground.
>
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "myles.stewart" <myles.stewart@juno.com>
> To: <toyota@4x4wire.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:51 PM
> Subject: TOY: Re: 89 4runner problem
>
>
>>I haven't had this exact issue before. But, I would like to pass on some
>>personal advice that might save you some $$ or heartache. I have a 93
>>Pick-Up, and am the original owner. What you mention, could be the
>>starter, could be the generator (sorry folks, I'm an old guy and still
>>call the alternator a generator, hehe), or a problem with the coil or coil
>>wire that goes to the distributor. I even "believed" that it might have
>>been the ignition switch, meaning the little thingie (as you call it) that
>>you put your key into, to turn the engine on. After replacing the
>>starter, myself (thank God for core charges, as I now feel I "bought" my
>>truck a Christmas present, more so than replacing the starter, which
>>probably didn't need replacing), I decided to brain-storm with my "baby"
>>brother. I have spoken about dirt on these postings before, and will now
>>relate another tale of "Dirt and My Toyota!" I live in the desert and
>>have no services close by, meaning within a 300 mile radius. My brother
>>says to me, "Have you cleaned your battery cables/clamps?" After a "huh"
>>and a few other words my grandmother never liked hearing from my Uncle
>>Joe, after he hit his thumb with a hammer while doing work around the
>>farm, I went out to the truck. First, I took the clamps off of the battery
>>cables, negative one first, and scrubbed the battery posts with a battery
>>cleaner brush. Any wire brush will do. Then, I scrubbed the clamps and
>>their insides the same way. Then, I held each wire that came off of the
>>clamps in my fingers, and scrubbed the ends of them (just the ends with no
>>insulation on them that came out of the clamps) and reinstalled them into
>>the clamps and onto the battery. I then pried open the battery (any
>>battery that you buy, that says "maintenance free" on it, but that does
>>not have the green eye on it, is not a truly maintenance free battery, and
>>replaced the fluid level in each cell to the required "height" with
>>distilled water. I also wiped the battery down. Bingo! My truck turned
>>over like on the day it is born, in Tennessee in 1993! So, I am willing
>>to bet, that if you clean your cable ends and clamps and check the water
>>level in your battery, that your engine will fire up, with no problems. I
>>have discovered with my pick-up, that there really isn't much that can
>>wrong with it, as I do all the work on it myself and know what things cost
>>and how to get the job done (get a Chilton's!). I now do this bit of
>>cleaning twice a year, and have added it to my preventive maintenance
>>schedule of things to do. I also have a battery tester (great one from
>>NorthernTools.com at a great price, too), and also check and recharge, if
>>needed (sears has a nice charger, also for a great price, under 65 bucks
>>if I remember) twice a year when I do my PM on my truck. I am sure this
>>is all that might be wrong, and please let us all know if my tip worked.
>>If not, then everybody should think about my tip, and if you live in a
>>dirty or dusty environment, then you might want to consider adding it to
>>your things-to-do list, also. Thank you!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Cagann" <alex@autoconsortium.com>
>> To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:21 AM
>> Subject: TOY: 89 4runner problem
>>
>>
>>>I have an 89 4-runner. It has started to exhibit strange behavior. If you
>>>turn the key, it acts like the battery is going dead, and makes the
>>>starter do it's low voltage clicking thingy. However, the battery is
>>>good, it's new and it's been tested twice. If I jump it, it starts right
>>>up everytime...no problem, it just won't start anymore with only one
>>>battery. My tech hasn't the slightest idea what this is. I hear a
>>>clicking sound behind the dash up by the firewall when I turn the key, it
>>>has gotten pretty noticable. Anybody had this issue before?
>>>
>>> Alex Cagann
>>>
>>> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>>>
>>
>> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>>
>
>
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>Now what kind of authomotive "authority" would buy
>a Dodge Neon?
LOL, missed that point. At least he was not risking a good car? ;)
John
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I had a neighbor once, who was from Yogoslavia. Of course, he was a proud
man, and had lived in the USA for most of his adult life. When the Yugo
came to America, he bought one. Several years later, when there were no
more parts for it, he asked me what kind of a "fitting" burial, he should
give it. Realizing that he was also having "septic" problems, I suggested
that he bury the Yugo, reroute his septic and leach lines through it, and
use it as a "new" septic tank, which he did. When YugoSlavia was finally
split up into two countries, he brought his parents to America. I had
dinner over at his house one night, and as his father was using the
bathroom, I heard him scream something in a foreign language, and then flush
the toilet. When the father came out of the bathroom and met me for the
first time, he had a funny look on his face. Later, he told me, that the
Yugo was made in a Russian built factory, and that nobody really bought it
back home, or anywhere else that side of Europe, because it was junk. So,
when he found out that his son had buried it and was using it as a septic
tank, he would always shout out some Yugoslavian curse to the Russians, just
before he flushed his son's toilet! Welcome to America! What a life!
----- Original Message -----
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>
>>Now what kind of authomotive "authority" would buy
>>a Dodge Neon?
>
> LOL, missed that point. At least he was not risking a good car? ;)
>
> John
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
