TOY: Birfields won't come out

[<patrick.toy@xxxxxxx>]

I am rebuilding a solid front axle and I am swaping out the stock 3rd member (4.10) for a 4.56 3rd.  I have both hubs completely broken down all the way back to the knuckle.  The birf is loose and will slide a little bit outward, but it will not completely come out on either side.  is there a certain position that thing has to be in to slide all the way out so that I can clean it fully and swap the 3rd out?

TIA for your help!

Patrick


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Subject: TOY: Are the Moab trails open?? .....was Re: Re: [Toy4x4] Birfields won't come out
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I do not get to take wheeling trips very often because I live in Texas.  There is not much in Texas to start with because they really don't allow wheeling on any public lands.  (Just an aside...does anyone know of a trail open close to Abilene, Texas??) Everything else is such a long drive away.  

I was planning on taking a trip in late August/early September, and I was thinking of going to Moab/Canyon Rims Recreation Area in UT.  I have heard that some of the trails were in danger of being closed due to legislation pushed through by environmental groups.

Will they be open in September?  Are they really in danger in the near future?  Does anybody really know?

Pat

> 
> From: "Joey Casas" <JCasas@nehealth.org>
> Date: 2005/06/03 Fri PM 02:03:08 EDT
> To: <patrick.toy@cox.net>,  <toy4x4@pismo.off-road.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [Toy4x4] Birfields won't come out
> 
> Yes, two years is a long time.
> 
> Joey Casas


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Why don't you look up the recreation on the web, as I am sure they have a 
web site, and if not, you could always contact by phone the local Ranger 
Station, or even the county and local mounties (cops) to find out.  They 
will give you the square scoop on it, just like the feds have when the 
snowmobile ban was coming and going.  Good luck, have fun, and thank God you 
aren't planning to visit Oklahoma!  (Chuckle -- Don't mess with Texas!)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <patrick.toy@cox.net>
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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:58
Subject: TOY: Are the Moab trails open?? .....was Re: Re: [Toy4x4] Birfields 
won't come out


>I do not get to take wheeling trips very often because I live in Texas. 
>There is not much in Texas to start with because they really don't allow 
>wheeling on any public lands.  (Just an aside...does anyone know of a trail 
>open close to Abilene, Texas??) Everything else is such a long drive away.
>
> I was planning on taking a trip in late August/early September, and I was 
> thinking of going to Moab/Canyon Rims Recreation Area in UT.  I have heard 
> that some of the trails were in danger of being closed due to legislation 
> pushed through by environmental groups.
>
> Will they be open in September?  Are they really in danger in the near 
> future?  Does anybody really know?
>
> Pat
>
>>
>> From: "Joey Casas" <JCasas@nehealth.org>
>> Date: 2005/06/03 Fri PM 02:03:08 EDT
>> To: <patrick.toy@cox.net>,  <toy4x4@pismo.off-road.com>
>> Subject: Re: Re: [Toy4x4] Birfields won't come out
>>
>> Yes, two years is a long time.
>>
>> Joey Casas
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> 


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Subject: Re: TOY: Birfields won't come out
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Thanks!!  I got them out tonight without grinding!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Wilson" <s.wilson@direcway.com>
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Cc: <patrick.toy@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 18:56
Subject: Re: TOY: Birfields won't come out


> patrick.toy@cox.net wrote:
>> I am rebuilding a solid front axle and I am swaping out the stock 
>> 3rd member (4.10) for a 4.56 3rd.  I have both hubs completely 
> > broken down all the way back to the knuckle.  The birf is loose
> > and will slide a little bit outward, but it will not completely
> > come out on either side.  is there a certain position that thing
> > has to be in to slide all the way out so that I can clean it
> > fully and swap the 3rd out?
> 
> The large mushroom shaped part of the birfield has two flat spots on 
> opposite sides of each other.  If you stick a finger into that greasy 
> mess you can find where the flat spots are.  Rotate the birfield until 
> the flat spots line up with the narrowest part of the opening... which 
> will put them in line with the knuckle bearings.
> 
> Now you should be able to pull the birfield out... it still may be a 
> tight fit.  I've know a few people have taken a grinder to the narrowest 
> part of the opening because they otherwise couldn't convince the 
> birfield to come out.  I've never run into a housing so tight that I had 
> to grind.  For me a little prying or taps with a hammer has worked to 
> coax the birfield out.
> 
> Good luck,
> Scott
> 
>