Re: TOY: Re: comparing '86-'88 models

["Steve L" <seaweedsteve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Agreed.  Especially about tacoma being less of a truck than previous.

I will, however,  nominate the 80's Nissan  2.4 liter (equivalent of the
22R, but with better timing chain system) for the best engine ever made
award.  Most shops don't know much about them because they never needed
anything.  Incredible engineering, metal quality and precision assembly.
Last time I saw one in the junkyard with 80 K on it, I asked the guy what it
was worth.  He said nothing, nobody ever replaces them.

The 22REs - I've often heard of them being overhauled.  Not the Nissan
engine.  22R is still great though!

Steve L





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> Greetings all
>
> I seldom make comments on this site, but it has an hopefully will
> continue to provide me with something interesting to read.
> On the subject of saving by keeping old toys alive.
>
> I've owned 4 Toyota's and put well over 600,000 miles total on them.
> I do all my own repairs. (other than machine shop work)
> The latest is my old 1980 4x4, I've no idea how many miles is on it. Over
> 100,000 when I bought it 12 years ago.
> Just rebuilt the old 22r this year, it spun a bearing.
> I think the 22r is the best all around engine I've seen. The machine
> shop that does my engine work shares my opinion.
>  The old truck Simple, usually inexpensive to fix and very tough.
> Had a 1999 tacoma for a while. Very Nice, but not as much a TRUCK
>  as the 1980, and those BIG payments now go to my retirement and
> other investments instead of a vehicle that depreciates.
>
> I'm not young anymore, nor am I in the poor house, and spending
> wisely may have a lot to do with it.
> People, get out your calculators and figure all that interest! Ouch!
> Besides I take great pride in keeping it on the road. People respect that.
> I get lots of good comments.
> After all anybody can drive a "new" truck.
>
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Steve L wrote:
 
> I will, however,  nominate the 80's Nissan  2.4 liter (equivalent of the
> 22R, but with better timing chain system) for the best engine ever made
> award.  Most shops don't know much about them because they never needed
> anything.  Incredible engineering, metal quality and precision assembly.
> Last time I saw one in the junkyard with 80 K on it, I asked the guy what it
> was worth.  He said nothing, nobody ever replaces them.

What about the Tacoma 4 cyl?  No timing chain or other problems
either. Some guys already have over 400K miles on them.

The 22R will last 600K if well maintained, just like most other Toyota
engines will. But the timing chain will need replacement at between
400-500K miles even in the best maintained engines.

I think what you are really saying is that the 80's Nissan  2.4 liter
stands up to maintenance neglect better than the 22R. 
That's probably true, but the longevity of a well maintained
Nissan  2.4 liter is probably not any better than a well maintained
22R. Both engines are about twice as durable as any American truck
4 cylinder engine. 

Paul Cherubini

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Cheers!








--- headjohnr <headjohnr@netzero.net> wrote:

> Greetings all
> 
> I seldom make comments on this site, but it has an
> hopefully will
> continue to provide me with something interesting to
> read.
> On the subject of saving by keeping old toys alive.
> 
> I've owned 4 Toyota's and put well over 600,000
> miles total on them.
> I do all my own repairs. (other than machine shop
> work)
> The latest is my old 1980 4x4, I've no idea how many
> miles is on it. Over
> 100,000 when I bought it 12 years ago. 
> Just rebuilt the old 22r this year, it spun a
> bearing.
> I think the 22r is the best all around engine I've
> seen. The machine
> shop that does my engine work shares my opinion. 
>  The old truck Simple, usually inexpensive to fix
> and very tough. 
> Had a 1999 tacoma for a while. Very Nice, but not as
> much a TRUCK
>  as the 1980, and those BIG payments now go to my
> retirement and
> other investments instead of a vehicle that
> depreciates.
> 
> I'm not young anymore, nor am I in the poor house,
> and spending
> wisely may have a lot to do with it.
> People, get out your calculators and figure all that
> interest! Ouch!
> Besides I take great pride in keeping it on the
> road. People respect that.
> I get lots of good comments.
> After all anybody can drive a "new" truck.
> 
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> 


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From: Bryan Pon <ponjovi3@yahoo.com>
Subject: TOY: Re: REF: comparing '86-'88 models
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Thanks for the info.... what is the 'trim leve'
availability?

Thanks
Bryan


--- Ed Wong <ewong_kaizen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 85 was the last year forthe sold axle
> 
> 88 I think the v6 was available
> 
> 86-88 I think the turbo was avail
> 
> 88 or possibly 89, the 22RE switched to the
> "straight"
> intake manifold - its better.
> 
> In general the 86-88 model years are the same except
> for trim leve availability.
> 
> I think the 88 models had a singly differnt "dash
> bezel" - it has more of a curved feel too it. Its
> interchangable with the earlier "Tron" type dash.
> 
> I think the instrument clusters on the 86/87 models
> had a "grid" pattern and the later ones did not (at
> least on the SR5 clusters)
>