TOY: [Toyota_Tacoma] TOY [Classic Toyota Town Group JC whitney

["Steve L" <seaweedsteve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> At 08:56 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote:
> >Well, I just ordered some from JC whitney.  ......

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Re:
>          Sounds good.  Be *very* careful w/ JCW.  I ordered something and
> they gave/sold my CC info to an outfit called Provell (Damark), who
> telemarketed me some bogus credit protection plan.  Although I declined
the
> program they still billed me.  They have done this before often enough
that
> they are now forced to give anyone a double refund if they cannot provide
a
> tape recording of the customer agreeing to purchase the program.  I had to
> snoop around the net to find a direct phone line before I was able to get
> my double refund check, as the people on the cust svc line couldn't or
> wouldn't do anything but tell me that they would put a note on my file
> indicating that I had not yet received my refund


Wow!  They ARE bad.  I actually had the same problem two years ago.  They
gave my CC# to a company called "Travel Values Plus" and I didn't find out
until they billed me the for the SECOND year of "membership fees".  I did
get a full refund, but it was work.

I imagined they had given up that criminal foolishness, but apparently not.

Just now, I went through the whole order process and only after giving my
CC# found that one of the main items (not door channel) was discontinued.
They did give me free shipping when I whined.

I think everyone should know about their practices.  I'm gonna post it on
some forums.

Thanks for being a wonderful helpful resource on old Toys.

Steve L



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 And tax payers are paying for the loss . You didn't really think
 there was a legit' business ( VISA ) that actually made a profit
 by losing money ?!  
 If you doubt the U.S. Treasury GIVES money ( 10's of billions  $$ ) 
 to fininacial institutions , try the Savings and loan scandal ,
 ( 100's of billions )  ....or  100% loans on junk bonds that later
 go completely worthless ( 50 billion $$ ) .
 This is the icebergs tip .... Your taxes are in the Cayman isl 
 by the trillions !   U.S. Gov't , worlds greatest thief .




>-- Original Message --
>From: "Steve L" <seaweedsteve@newmexico.com>
>Cc: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>, >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>> At 08:56 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote:
>> >Well, I just ordered some from JC whitney.  ......
>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:54 AM
>Subject: Re:
>>          Sounds good.  Be *very* careful w/ JCW.  I ordered something
and
>> they gave/sold my CC info to an outfit called Provell (Damark), who
>> telemarketed me some bogus credit protection plan.  Although I declined
>the
>> program they still billed me.  They have done this before often enough
>that
>> they are now forced to give anyone a double refund if they cannot provide
>a
>> tape recording of the customer agreeing to purchase the program.  I had
>to
>> snoop around the net to find a direct phone line before I was able to
get
>> my double refund check, as the people on the cust svc line couldn't or
>> wouldn't do anything but tell me that they would put a note on my file
>> indicating that I had not yet received my refund
>
>
>Wow!  They ARE bad.  I actually had the same problem two years ago.  They
>gave my CC# to a company called "Travel Values Plus" and I didn't find
out
>until they billed me the for the SECOND year of "membership fees".  I did
>get a full refund, but it was work.
>
>I imagined they had given up that criminal foolishness, but apparently
not.
>
>Just now, I went through the whole order process and only after giving
my
>CC# found that one of the main items (not door channel) was discontinued.
>They did give me free shipping when I whined.
>
>I think everyone should know about their practices.  I'm gonna post it
on
>some forums.
>
>Thanks for being a wonderful helpful resource on old Toys.
>
>Steve L
>
>
>4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>


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From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
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Ok found the problem. It was that the Mass Air Flow
sensor was not working. I put the old one on from the
88 truck that the engine came out of. It worked for a
little while then back to square one. Engine will
start, run for 3 seconds then die. What could cause
the mass air flow sensor to go out. Esp after only
running for a few minutes. 

Thanks

Ray
--- werty@swissinfo.org wrote:

> 
> 
>  OK check fuses and then it goes to ECM signal , is
> ECM sending
>  a fuel pump signal ?  
> 
>  LED's are so cheap i'm putting them all
>  over my truck to show who is really drawing current
> .
> 
>   Problem is ya gotta give up some voltage to lite
> the
>  LED when current is flowing ( .1vdc ). 
>  So now ya gotta put in  op amps or comparators . 12
> cents a piece .
>   Worth it troubleshooting time ......
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >-- Original Message --
> >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:00:52 -0800 (PST)
> >From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
> >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >
> >
> >I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89
> has
> >a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
> >voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good.
> It
> >still did not run after I bypassed all the relays. 
> >
> >Ray
> >--- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? 
> Did
> >> you
> >> run a hot lead from the battery and it still
> died? 
> >> If
> >> so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and
> definately
> >> would have power to the pump so the problem is
> >> either
> >> the pump or the fuel filter.  Since you swaped in
> a
> >> motor, you did run the return line from the
> pressure
> >> regulater to the tank to bleed off excess
> pressure
> >> didn't you?
> >> 
> >> If what I described above is NOT what you meant,
> and
> >> you don't have power to the pump I would suspect
> the
> >> fuel pump relay.  If the relay is faulty I am
> >> surprized you can even start it ... it tends to
> work
> >> fine or not work at all.  In any case on an '85
> the
> >> relay lives up behind the glove box.  I forget
> the
> >> wire colors.  You can pull the relay box off the
> >> innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40
> got
> >> it
> >> working again after rain water from having no
> >> windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
> >> 
> >> > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a
> couple
> >> of
> >> > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> >> again.
> >> > I
> >> > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> >> > wired
> >> > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> >> start
> >> > it.
> >> > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> >> > relay
> >> > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> >> for?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Thanks
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Ray
> >> 
> >> 
> >> =====
> >> David Morrison
> >> Austin TX
> >> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> >> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> >> 
> >
> >
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Short the T connector on the side (connector on driver's side fender) to 
bypass the AFM as a test.

Normally, the AFM must sense air before switching on the fuel pump but 
this can be bypassed for testing.

If this works, I would check the AFM circuit.

ryan neighbarger wrote:

>Ok found the problem. It was that the Mass Air Flow
>sensor was not working. I put the old one on from the
>88 truck that the engine came out of. It worked for a
>little while then back to square one. Engine will
>start, run for 3 seconds then die. What could cause
>the mass air flow sensor to go out. Esp after only
>running for a few minutes. 
>
>Thanks
>
>Ray
>  
>

-- 


Cheers,

Karl Bellve