RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)

[David Morrison <davidm3286@xxxxxxxxx>]

So it sounds like when you run a hot to the fuel pump
it works.  Unless the pump is just not putting out any
pressure, it's OK.  You could test that with a
pressure gauge, or disconnect the line and pump some
into a bucket to check flow.  Careful if you do this
of sparks etc!  btw you won't see any voltage at the
pump if the engine isn't running, there is a sensor in
the MAF that trips the fuel pump relay only if air is
flowing through which is bypassed when the starter is
engaged to give you startup pressure.

Do you know how to pull the efi codes on your motor? 
I'm guessing an efi problem, but could also be
ignition related.  If you have access swap in a
different ignitor ... I doubt thats it, but since it
will start thats the only component on the ignition
side that could cause dieing after start up and its so
easy to swap and check.
--- ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ok, Let me start over. Truck ran. Then sputtered and
> died truck will start but not keep running. Found 0V
> to pump. Ran hot from battery pump ran but truck did
> not after start up. Switch mass air flow relays.
> Still
> did not run. Checked the EFI relay it is good. Still
> nothing. After installed different mass air flow now
> it will not even start. Put orginal mass air flow
> back
> on. Still will not even start. What could be next?
>

=====
David Morrison
Austin TX

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Fuel pump might still run but fail under load. Check the fuel pressure 
with a fuel pressure gauge. Pinch the return fuel hose as well, to help 
build pressure.

-- 
Cheers,



Karl Bellve


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 Read the pressure  , if it's low ,  
 pinch the "return" line out of the press'
 reg' , if pressure rises , it's only the regulator .














>-- Original Message --
>Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:38:46 -0500
>From: Karl Bellve <Karl.Bellve@umassmed.edu>
>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>Subject: Re: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>
>
>
>Fuel pump might still run but fail under load. Check the fuel pressure

>with a fuel pressure gauge. Pinch the return fuel hose as well, to help

>build pressure.
>
>-- 
>Cheers,
>
>
>
>Karl Bellve
>
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  It's like science .  There is an explanation to it .
 You know kinda like the stupidity of VW and Harley to
 putting  short reach plugs in alum' heads !!! I have 
 repaired hundreds of VW's , Spark plug , lower case studs 
  etc ..

 
 The Toy has much higher "leaverage" against the very weak
 bushings in the rack/pin' . 
 The old Toy system ... recirc ball is not taking much 
 stress unless you put force to the wheel . The idlers
 can last for years of off roadin' 

 You don't have to touch the steering wheel to get
 get very high force on the bushings !! Go study it
 like i do .

 BTW mine has no return spring on the clutch slave ,
 so i'll be replacing release bearings < every 50K .
 They put a plastic bearing on clutch pedal  GOOD !
 But at the rod ( where force is higher !!)
 they have NOTHING but a very high friction steel pin !
   Engineers ?     No not really .

 Mine will shortly have a ball bearing .

 The good on Toy' is they do compete with the better trucks .
 But they are cronies , so don't expect better , jsut same old 
stuff .
 4X4 ppl have been de manding engines that make power down low
 for off roading , but Toyb gives us high rated H.P. instead
 ( peaky hp at high RPM ) . 

 But i'll be grinding my cam in my back yard soon and will 
 have a low speed 3RZ-FE ( 2700 ) . Kids don't do this at home
 'cause it's dangerous , just kidding , don't do it on anything 
 but a shim over bucket as it's cake to figure the lift at each
 point and how to grind it for there  are no other factors !
  All you do is figure where to place the grind wheel relative
 to base circle ! Ya don't have to figure the effect of valve gear !
 I'll reduce overlap , advance intake closing by 15 degrees 
 and adv exh open by even more . Tune intake and exh headers
 for about 3200 RPM . I expect :
  50 HP @  1600
  70 "  "  2200

 But mostly i expect better effeciency !!  
  





  
 











>-- Original Message --
>From: "Steve L" <seaweedsteve@newmexico.com>
>To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
>Subject: TOY: rack and pinion
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:55:39 -0700
>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>
>
>I've been wondering if we lost reliability with the R&P.  But 30K?
>
>How did you come to that conclusion?  Certainly not in the service schedule?
>Mine's got 150K on it.  I bet most people are getting that easy.  SHOULD
>last 300K.
>
>I know it will be extra spendy/not rebuildable compared to the old style
>when it is replaced.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <werty@swissinfo.org>
>To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:19 PM
>Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>
>
>>
>>
>>  Have 2000 Toy 4X4 , i have 2 relays in series ( fuel pump and circuit
>>
>> operating relay )    either will ruin your  whole day if open .
>>
>>   Hope this helps .
>>
>>
>>  BTW the rack/pinion steering cyl on 2000 ( '96 up ?)  will need
>>
>>   replacing every 30k miles.
>>
>>   Toyota didn't figure how much stress there is on it ! The older steering
>>
>>  gear is far stronger .
>>
>>
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >From: "greg fowkes" <fowkesgreg@hotmail.com>
>> >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>> >Subject: RE: TOY: Problems
>> >Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:08:49 -0500
>> >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey Ray,
>> >
>> >Not sure how my email address showed up for a place to write to on
>4x4Wire.
>> >
>> >Sorry, can't help you.
>> >
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >>From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
>> >>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>> >>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>> >>Subject: TOY: Problems
>> >>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:42:19 -0800 (PST)
>> >>
>> >>I completed the swap 88 engine in to a 89 truck. Every
>> >>thing went fine, no warning lights and it ran well. I
>> >>decided to drive it around the hunting area still all
>> >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
>> >>times then died. It will start up then die again. I
>> >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory wired
>> >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start it.
>> >>Still started then died right afterwards. The relay
>> >>under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
>> >>
>> >>Thanks
>> >>
>> >>Ray
>> >>
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 I was looking at ISUZU NPR , did not like the Diesel or
 the tranny .

  Good thinking Isuzu , stop fuel if no oil . 
 I can go 10 miles  on fuel in the lines , thats enuf to 
 lunch the motor 3 time over !






>-- Original Message --
>From: "Steve L" <seaweedsteve@newmexico.com>
>To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
>Subject: Re: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:53:43 -0700
>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>
>
>Got a wiring diagram?  Time to get one!
>
> A friend's Isuzu was set up so if no oil pressure signal, fuel pump shut
>off.  For run mode only.  Start mode allowed no pressure for  a minute.
I
>think you are seeing a similar thing.  Start mode bypasses something that
>run mode needs.  If not oil pressure then something else.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ryan neighbarger" <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
>To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:00 PM
>Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>
>
>> I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89 has
>> a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
>> voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good. It
>> still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
>>
>> Ray
>> --- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >  What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump?  Did
>> > you
>> > run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
>> > If
>> > so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
>> > would have power to the pump so the problem is
>> > either
>> > the pump or the fuel filter.  Since you swaped in a
>> > motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
>> > regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
>> > didn't you?
>> >
>> > If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
>> > you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
>> > fuel pump relay.  If the relay is faulty I am
>> > surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
>> > fine or not work at all.  In any case on an '85 the
>> > relay lives up behind the glove box.  I forget the
>> > wire colors.  You can pull the relay box off the
>> > innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got
>> > it
>> > working again after rain water from having no
>> > windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
>> >
>> > > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple
>> > of
>> > > >>times then died. It will start up then die
>> > again.
>> > > I
>> > > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
>> > > wired
>> > > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
>> > start
>> > > it.
>> > > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
>> > > relay
>> > > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
>> > for?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Thanks
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Ray
>> >
>> >
>> > =====
>> > David Morrison
>> > Austin TX
>> > 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
>> > http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>> >
>>
>>
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 OK check fuses and then it goes to ECM signal , is ECM sending
 a fuel pump signal ?  

 LED's are so cheap i'm putting them all
 over my truck to show who is really drawing current .

  Problem is ya gotta give up some voltage to lite the
 LED when current is flowing ( .1vdc ). 
 So now ya gotta put in  op amps or comparators . 12 cents a piece .
  Worth it troubleshooting time ......





>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:00:52 -0800 (PST)
>From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>
>
>I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89 has
>a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
>voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good. It
>still did not run after I bypassed all the relays. 
>
>Ray
>--- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump?  Did
>> you
>> run a hot lead from the battery and it still died? 
>> If
>> so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
>> would have power to the pump so the problem is
>> either
>> the pump or the fuel filter.  Since you swaped in a
>> motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
>> regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
>> didn't you?
>> 
>> If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
>> you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
>> fuel pump relay.  If the relay is faulty I am
>> surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
>> fine or not work at all.  In any case on an '85 the
>> relay lives up behind the glove box.  I forget the
>> wire colors.  You can pull the relay box off the
>> innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got
>> it
>> working again after rain water from having no
>> windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
>> 
>> > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple
>> of
>> > >>times then died. It will start up then die
>> again.
>> > I
>> > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
>> > wired
>> > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
>> start
>> > it.
>> > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
>> > relay
>> > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
>> for?
>> > >>
>> > >>Thanks
>> > >>
>> > >>Ray
>> 
>> 
>> =====
>> David Morrison
>> Austin TX
>> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
>> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>> 
>
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werty@swissinfo.org wrote:

 
>  BTW mine has no return spring on the clutch slave ,
>  so i'll be replacing release bearings < every 50K .
>  They put a plastic bearing on clutch pedal  GOOD !
>  But at the rod ( where force is higher !!)
>  they have NOTHING but a very high friction steel pin !
>    Engineers ?     No not really .

The entire clutch assembly of my '92 22RE, including
the master and slave cylinders, has lasted 451,000 miles
as is still going strong.  My conclusion: Asian car
engineers are experts at designing and building top
quality components that will last and last if not abused.

Paul Cherubini

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For some reason all the toyota questions from your website are comeing to my 
email. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!


Thank you,

Greg

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