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TOY: Problems
I completed the swap 88 engine in to a 89 truck. Every
thing went fine, no warning lights and it ran well. I
decided to drive it around the hunting area still all
went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
times then died. It will start up then die again. I
have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory wired
the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start it.
Still started then died right afterwards. The relay
under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
Thanks
Ray
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Hey Ray,
Not sure how my email address showed up for a place to write to on 4x4Wire.
Sorry, can't help you.
Greg
>From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
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>Subject: TOY: Problems
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:42:19 -0800 (PST)
>
>I completed the swap 88 engine in to a 89 truck. Every
>thing went fine, no warning lights and it ran well. I
>decided to drive it around the hunting area still all
>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
>times then died. It will start up then die again. I
>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory wired
>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start it.
>Still started then died right afterwards. The relay
>under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ray
>
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Have 2000 Toy 4X4 , i have 2 relays in series ( fuel pump and circuit
operating relay ) either will ruin your whole day if open .
Hope this helps .
BTW the rack/pinion steering cyl on 2000 ( '96 up ?) will need
replacing every 30k miles.
Toyota didn't figure how much stress there is on it ! The older steering
gear is far stronger .
>-- Original Message --
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>
>Hey Ray,
>
>Not sure how my email address showed up for a place to write to on 4x4Wire.
>
>Sorry, can't help you.
>
>Greg
>
>>From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>>Subject: TOY: Problems
>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:42:19 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>I completed the swap 88 engine in to a 89 truck. Every
>>thing went fine, no warning lights and it ran well. I
>>decided to drive it around the hunting area still all
>>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
>>times then died. It will start up then die again. I
>>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory wired
>>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start it.
>>Still started then died right afterwards. The relay
>>under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Ray
>>
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What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did you
run a hot lead from the battery and it still died? If
so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
would have power to the pump so the problem is either
the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in a
motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
didn't you?
If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85 the
relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got it
working again after rain water from having no
windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
> >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
> >>times then died. It will start up then die again.
> I
> >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> wired
> >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start
> it.
> >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> relay
> >>under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Ray
=====
David Morrison
Austin TX
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I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89 has
a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good. It
still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
Ray
--- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did
> you
> run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
> If
> so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
> would have power to the pump so the problem is
> either
> the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in a
> motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
> regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
> didn't you?
>
> If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
> you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
> fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
> surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
> fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85 the
> relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
> wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
> innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got
> it
> working again after rain water from having no
> windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
>
> > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple
> of
> > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> again.
> > I
> > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> > wired
> > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> start
> > it.
> > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> > relay
> > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> for?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks
> > >>
> > >>Ray
>
>
> =====
> David Morrison
> Austin TX
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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I think I am a little confused...
If you run a hotwire from the battery to the pump and you still aren't
getting fuel pressure then your pump is bad or the pump housing that
drops into the tank is fubared.
You should be able to hear the pump when you wire it up. It is
definitely loud enough to hear if you are next to the gas tank.
It sounds like you are saying you bypassed the relays but have no
voltage - I am not sure how you bypassed if you don't have any voltage
but just run a wire from the battery - 12 volts and you should hear it
humming, if not - check the connections on the housing. If they look
fine, might as well drop the tank, cause you'll be replacing the housing
or the fuel pump.
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Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89 has
a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good. It
still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
Ray
--- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did
> you
> run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
> If
> so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
> would have power to the pump so the problem is
> either
> the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in a
> motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
> regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
> didn't you?
>
> If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
> you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
> fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
> surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
> fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85 the
> relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
> wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
> innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got
> it
> working again after rain water from having no
> windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
>
> > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple
> of
> > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> again.
> > I
> > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> > wired
> > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> start
> > it.
> > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> > relay
> > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> for?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks
> > >>
> > >>Ray
>
>
> =====
> David Morrison
> Austin TX
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
=====
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If you had a jumper from the battery and had no
voltage you gotta have a bad ground then.
How are you determining that you have no voltage?
Even with a bad ground if you tested with a VOM it
would show voltage since it would ground through the
VOM lead?
--- ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89
> has
> a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
> voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good.
> It
> still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
>
> Ray
> --- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did
> > you
> > run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
>
> > If
> > so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and
> definately
> > would have power to the pump so the problem is
> > either
> > the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in
> a
> > motor, you did run the return line from the
> pressure
> > regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
> > didn't you?
> >
> > If what I described above is NOT what you meant,
> and
> > you don't have power to the pump I would suspect
> the
> > fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
> > surprized you can even start it ... it tends to
> work
> > fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85
> the
> > relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
> > wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
> > innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40
> got
> > it
> > working again after rain water from having no
> > windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
> >
> > > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a
> couple
> > of
> > > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> > again.
> > > I
> > > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> > > wired
> > > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> > start
> > > it.
> > > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> > > relay
> > > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> > for?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks
> > > >>
> > > >>Ray
> >
> >
> > =====
> > David Morrison
> > Austin TX
> > 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> > http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> >
>
>
> =====
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Ok, Let me start over. Truck ran. Then sputtered and
died truck will start but not keep running. Found 0V
to pump. Ran hot from battery pump ran but truck did
not after start up. Switch mass air flow relays. Still
did not run. Checked the EFI relay it is good. Still
nothing. After installed different mass air flow now
it will not even start. Put orginal mass air flow back
on. Still will not even start. What could be next?
--- "Payne, Mike K." <MPayne1@allstate.com> wrote:
> I think I am a little confused...
>
> If you run a hotwire from the battery to the pump
> and you still aren't
> getting fuel pressure then your pump is bad or the
> pump housing that
> drops into the tank is fubared.
>
> You should be able to hear the pump when you wire it
> up. It is
> definitely loud enough to hear if you are next to
> the gas tank.
>
> It sounds like you are saying you bypassed the
> relays but have no
> voltage - I am not sure how you bypassed if you
> don't have any voltage
> but just run a wire from the battery - 12 volts and
> you should hear it
> humming, if not - check the connections on the
> housing. If they look
> fine, might as well drop the tank, cause you'll be
> replacing the housing
> or the fuel pump.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-toyota@4x4Wire.com
> [mailto:owner-toyota@4x4Wire.com] On
> Behalf Of ryan neighbarger
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:01 PM
> To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>
> I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89
> has
> a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
> voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good.
> It
> still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
>
> Ray
> --- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did
> > you
> > run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
>
> > If
> > so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and
> definately
> > would have power to the pump so the problem is
> > either
> > the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in
> a
> > motor, you did run the return line from the
> pressure
> > regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
> > didn't you?
> >
> > If what I described above is NOT what you meant,
> and
> > you don't have power to the pump I would suspect
> the
> > fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
> > surprized you can even start it ... it tends to
> work
> > fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85
> the
> > relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
> > wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
> > innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40
> got
> > it
> > working again after rain water from having no
> > windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
> >
> > > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a
> couple
> > of
> > > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> > again.
> > > I
> > > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> > > wired
> > > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> > start
> > > it.
> > > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> > > relay
> > > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> > for?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks
> > > >>
> > > >>Ray
> >
> >
> > =====
> > David Morrison
> > Austin TX
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Subject: Re: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
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Got a wiring diagram? Time to get one!
A friend's Isuzu was set up so if no oil pressure signal, fuel pump shut
off. For run mode only. Start mode allowed no pressure for a minute. I
think you are seeing a similar thing. Start mode bypasses something that
run mode needs. If not oil pressure then something else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ryan neighbarger" <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
> I did by pass the all the relays. My truck is a 89 has
> a return line. Fuel line is not clogged. Have no
> voltage to pump. Checked EFI main relay it is good. It
> still did not run after I bypassed all the relays.
>
> Ray
> --- David Morrison <davidm3286@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean temp wire to the fuel pump? Did
> > you
> > run a hot lead from the battery and it still died?
> > If
> > so you eliminated the fuel pump relay and definately
> > would have power to the pump so the problem is
> > either
> > the pump or the fuel filter. Since you swaped in a
> > motor, you did run the return line from the pressure
> > regulater to the tank to bleed off excess pressure
> > didn't you?
> >
> > If what I described above is NOT what you meant, and
> > you don't have power to the pump I would suspect the
> > fuel pump relay. If the relay is faulty I am
> > surprized you can even start it ... it tends to work
> > fine or not work at all. In any case on an '85 the
> > relay lives up behind the glove box. I forget the
> > wire colors. You can pull the relay box off the
> > innards and on mine heavily dousing it in wd-40 got
> > it
> > working again after rain water from having no
> > windshield had rusted up the moving parts.
> >
> > > >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple
> > of
> > > >>times then died. It will start up then die
> > again.
> > > I
> > > >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory
> > > wired
> > > >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to
> > start
> > > it.
> > > >>Still started then died right afterwards. The
> > > relay
> > > >>under the hood works. Now what should I check
> > for?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks
> > > >>
> > > >>Ray
> >
> >
> > =====
> > David Morrison
> > Austin TX
> > 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> > http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> >
>
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Subject: TOY: rack and pinion
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I've been wondering if we lost reliability with the R&P. But 30K?
How did you come to that conclusion? Certainly not in the service schedule?
Mine's got 150K on it. I bet most people are getting that easy. SHOULD
last 300K.
I know it will be extra spendy/not rebuildable compared to the old style
when it is replaced.
----- Original Message -----
From: <werty@swissinfo.org>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: TOY: Problems ( fuel pump relay)
>
>
> Have 2000 Toy 4X4 , i have 2 relays in series ( fuel pump and circuit
>
> operating relay ) either will ruin your whole day if open .
>
> Hope this helps .
>
>
> BTW the rack/pinion steering cyl on 2000 ( '96 up ?) will need
>
> replacing every 30k miles.
>
> Toyota didn't figure how much stress there is on it ! The older steering
>
> gear is far stronger .
>
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: "greg fowkes" <fowkesgreg@hotmail.com>
> >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >Subject: RE: TOY: Problems
> >Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:08:49 -0500
> >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >
> >
> >Hey Ray,
> >
> >Not sure how my email address showed up for a place to write to on
4x4Wire.
> >
> >Sorry, can't help you.
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >>From: ryan neighbarger <ryan_marine@yahoo.com>
> >>Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> >>Subject: TOY: Problems
> >>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:42:19 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >>I completed the swap 88 engine in to a 89 truck. Every
> >>thing went fine, no warning lights and it ran well. I
> >>decided to drive it around the hunting area still all
> >>went well. On the way home it sputterd a couple of
> >>times then died. It will start up then die again. I
> >>have no power to the fuel pump now. I tempory wired
> >>the fuel pump to run while my wife tried to start it.
> >>Still started then died right afterwards. The relay
> >>under the hood works. Now what should I check for?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Ray
> >>
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