TOY: grit in engine

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Subject: TOY: grit in engine
From: Hovinga@xxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:18:58 -0500

I brought in my car for an oil-change and battery replacement (no time to 
do it myself lately, pretty bad sign I know). So this guy takes out my K&N 
air-filter and comes over to tell me that it is dirty and needs to be 
replaced. I tell him it's a K&N and that I'll take care of the cleaning it 
later myself.

I come home and think about it for a while, so I better check the 
air-filter. This guy put it in up-side down.... I'm pissed, but its too 
late now.

Question: what is the best way of taking care of the crud and stuff that 
could have entered my engine block?

Replace all engine fluids?


It's the Tacoma 2.7L 4 cyl. I drove about 30min worth with it upside down.

Any advise will be greatly appreciated,

Rik


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I am a new toyota forerunner owner, and neophyte to a lot of mechanical work.
I have been driving rigs though for over 40 years, and can't in my opinion imagine you did any serious damage to the internal combustion chambers of the engine.
But that's just my opinion and probably would not get me a cup of coffee up town.
Sorry I am not of more help, Nick


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Let it go.. put it in right side up and clean and forget about it...
But call the place that did it and get a free oil change out of it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Hovinga@rice.edu>
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Subject: TOY: grit in engine


>
> I brought in my car for an oil-change and battery replacement (no time to
> do it myself lately, pretty bad sign I know). So this guy takes out my K&N
> air-filter and comes over to tell me that it is dirty and needs to be
> replaced. I tell him it's a K&N and that I'll take care of the cleaning it
> later myself.
>
> I come home and think about it for a while, so I better check the
> air-filter. This guy put it in up-side down.... I'm pissed, but its too
> late now.
>
> Question: what is the best way of taking care of the crud and stuff that
> could have entered my engine block?
>
> Replace all engine fluids?
>
>
> It's the Tacoma 2.7L 4 cyl. I drove about 30min worth with it upside down.
>
> Any advise will be greatly appreciated,
>
> Rik
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/


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Subject: TOY: Problem with my '97 T100...
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:11:56 -0400
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    Just to let everybody know of a recent problem I experienced with my '97
regarding the head gaskets.
    I took a trip to Florida from Connecticut and upon arriving and while
following a family member, I experienced an over-heating condition.
    Bottom line is that the head gasket(s) had failed.
    This truck had been certified as having been past the head gasket problem of
earlier T's based on the VIN but it happened anyway at 119,000 miles.
    Bottom line cost-wise was somewhat north of $3000.00, but that included a
new radiator, coolant, valve job, refurbished heads, and sundry other parts
necessary to bring the cooling system in line with the refurbished heads.  Labor
alone was 20 hours at $75.00/hour.
    Just thought I should pass this info along to the rest of you as the job was
way beyond my expertise and I consider myself fortunate that, if it had to
happen, I was near family.
    I mean, it could have happened 500 miles north and out in the
boonies.............

Dick Seng
'97 T100 XtraCab SR5
================================


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Sorry about the HG problem.

I have had failures in the 22-RE (140,000 miles) and a 1FZ-FE (90,000 
miles).

I firmly believe if you have Toyota with a cast iron block and an 
aluminum head, you will have a HG failure, just a matter of when.

--Karl


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Dick Seng 631 wrote:

> I took a trip to Florida from Connecticut and upon arriving and while
> following a family member, I experienced an over-heating condition.
> Bottom line is that the head gasket(s) had failed.

> new radiator, coolant, valve job, refurbished heads

What exactly happened?  Did you stop the engine immediately at
the first hint of the temperature gauge rising toward the Hot mark?
Or did you keep on driving and let the temp gauge rise all the way to the
Hot mark or Red mark?   

What kind of preventive maintenance has the cooling system 
received?   What was wrong with the radiator?  

Paul Cherubini

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I would take it back and request a full engine flush
at their cost. The stupid SOB should atleast know how
to install an air filter. Then I would find another
shop to take your truck to.

Ray
--- Hovinga@rice.edu wrote:

> 
> I brought in my car for an oil-change and battery
> replacement (no time to 
> do it myself lately, pretty bad sign I know). So
> this guy takes out my K&N 
> air-filter and comes over to tell me that it is
> dirty and needs to be 
> replaced. I tell him it's a K&N and that I'll take
> care of the cleaning it 
> later myself.
> 
> I come home and think about it for a while, so I
> better check the 
> air-filter. This guy put it in up-side down.... I'm
> pissed, but its too 
> late now.
> 
> Question: what is the best way of taking care of the
> crud and stuff that 
> could have entered my engine block?
> 
> Replace all engine fluids?
> 
> 
> It's the Tacoma 2.7L 4 cyl. I drove about 30min
> worth with it upside down.
> 
> Any advise will be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Rik
> 
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section
> http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> 


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But, I thought that kind of thing was to be expected at around 100k???  
Wws'nt it the V6's that were failing at sigificantly below 100k that 
were the problem...

Dick Seng 631 wrote:

>    Just to let everybody know of a recent problem I experienced with my '97
>regarding the head gaskets.
>    I took a trip to Florida from Connecticut and upon arriving and while
>following a family member, I experienced an over-heating condition.
>    Bottom line is that the head gasket(s) had failed.
>    This truck had been certified as having been past the head gasket problem of
>earlier T's based on the VIN but it happened anyway at 119,000 miles.
>    Bottom line cost-wise was somewhat north of $3000.00, but that included a
>new radiator, coolant, valve job, refurbished heads, and sundry other parts
>necessary to bring the cooling system in line with the refurbished heads.  Labor
>alone was 20 hours at $75.00/hour.
>    Just thought I should pass this info along to the rest of you as the job was
>way beyond my expertise and I consider myself fortunate that, if it had to
>happen, I was near family.
>    I mean, it could have happened 500 miles north and out in the
>boonies.............
>
>Dick Seng
>'97 T100 XtraCab SR5
>================================
>
>4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
>
>  
>


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    I had no forewarning of a problem.  I had flushed the engine cooling system
several months ago (just prior to last winter) and added silicone-free coolant
at the same time I changed the timing belt, water pump, and thermostat.
    The temp gage never indicated a potential problem.
    In fact when the coolant started to boil out of the radiator and through to
reservoir, the gage still showed an acceptable reading until seconds after the
boiling started.
    Actually, I was parking in a strip-mall to get some coffee and a person
mentioned that there was something leaking from under the hood.  I glanced at
the temp gage and it was OK (mid-range where it always resided) and thought what
the other person was seeing was air-conditioner water which is always dripping
after running.
    I got out and checked and, sure enough, it was coolant.  When I immediately
went back to the cab, the temp gage had risen and shortly thereafter peaked at
max temp - but not before.
    I shut off the engine and the boiling continued for a short period of time
and I left it cool, thinking that it might be a faulty thermostat.
    I added cold water after the temps had stabilized and got several miles
before the same thing happened again.  Thankfully, I was with family and their
knowledge of the available dealers - they sent me to what was considered a
better than average dealer.
    The rest of the story has been previously told.

Dick Seng
'97 T100 XtraCab SR5
================================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Cherubini" <monarch@saber.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:08 PM
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Dick Seng 631 wrote:

> I took a trip to Florida from Connecticut and upon arriving and while
> following a family member, I experienced an over-heating condition.
> Bottom line is that the head gasket(s) had failed.

> new radiator, coolant, valve job, refurbished heads

What exactly happened?  Did you stop the engine immediately at
the first hint of the temperature gauge rising toward the Hot mark?
Or did you keep on driving and let the temp gauge rise all the way to the
Hot mark or Red mark?

What kind of preventive maintenance has the cooling system
received?   What was wrong with the radiator?

Paul Cherubini
4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
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