TOY: RE: frame work

["Streettrat" <Streettrat@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, I just did a '84 Yoda frame job and it's held up to ALOT of
punishment. I went to Wellsville, Ohio to test it and it held up better
than my bed did. 

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Can anybody give me some ideas as to the frame rusting prob on the 84-88

4x4's, You know the area by the right rear leaf spring perch. If someone

could post their successful fixes I would  appreciate it.

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any pics or specific ideas?


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>Yes, I just did a '84 Yoda frame job and it's held up to ALOT of
>punishment. I went to Wellsville, Ohio to test it and it held up better
>than my bed did.
>
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>
>Can anybody give me some ideas as to the frame rusting prob on the 84-88
>
>4x4's, You know the area by the right rear leaf spring perch. If someone
>
>could post their successful fixes I would  appreciate it.
>
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not as of yet, the bed rotted out so i built a wooden one and need to take 
pic's. as far as spec's go just make sure both sides line up. the first one 
i did we were off 1 inch from wheel to wheel.


From: "Rick Poppe" <rickpoppe065@hotmail.com>
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any pics or specific ideas?


>From: "Streettrat" <Streettrat@hotmail.com>
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>Subject: TOY: RE: frame work
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:46:23 -0500
>
>Yes, I just did a '84 Yoda frame job and it's held up to ALOT of
>punishment. I went to Wellsville, Ohio to test it and it held up better
>than my bed did.
>
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>Behalf Of Rick Poppe
>Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:45 PM
>To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
>Subject: TOY: frame work
>
>Can anybody give me some ideas as to the frame rusting prob on the 84-88
>
>4x4's, You know the area by the right rear leaf spring perch. If someone
>
>could post their successful fixes I would  appreciate it.
>
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Jim Brink wrote:

> L/C Engineering is the only way to go. More expensive than the two you
> mentioned, but I've seen them all, and no others compare. They fit the
> best, look the best and are already coated to prevent corrosion. No
> affiliation, yadda, yadda. Their web site is
> http://www.lcengineering.com/

The LC headers are not necessarily problem free.  Below is a problem 
one owner had and a solution offered by another owner:

PROBLEM:

"I have an 85 4runner that I just pulled the O2 sensor out of today. It is 
thick with carbon buildup. So much so that the port opening on the O2 
sensor was clogged (if that makes sense). This is a replacement aftermarked 
O2 sensor that I installed when I replaced the stock exhaust manifold with an
LC Engineering long tube header back in June 03. I replaced the sensor with 
the original, and am going to wait a month or so and pull it again. What 
would cause so much buildup in such a little amount of time."

SOLUTION:

"I had the same problem with my LCE header. The problem is that the 
O2 sensor location on the LCE header is booty. The little standoff platform 
they weld onto the header to mount the flange on is way to long. It does 
not allow the stubby little NTK or Denso or any other standard 1 wire 
O2 sensor to protrude into the exhaust stream far enough to heat up. 
Consequently I was getting 10mpg and running very rich. The only 
solution is to buy a three or four wire heated O2 sensor and wire it in. 
I did and my gas mileage doubled and sooty exhaust and rich smell are 
gone. I also have a permanently installed O2 sensor guage so I know 
exactly how poorly the LCE design works with a non heated
sensor. My sensor was a brand spanking new NTK brand direct OEM 
replacement BTW. You can get a four wire heated Denso flange mount 
O2 sensor from www.sparkplug.com for $50 and I will
tell you how to wire it in."

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> also be doing a full exhaust upgrade including a
> header. My question is which header to go with. Any
> experiences or suggestions on which is better would be
> appreciated.

  I went with a Doug Thorley.  When I was doing my research it seemed that
the big 3 were: Doug Thorley, LC Engineering (big $$$) or Downey.  They
all had different advantages.
  Several people told me that the Thorley helped with lower RPM torque so
I went with that (plus it was in my price range!)
  I upgraded my exhaust at the same time - 2.25" throughout, a new
universal cat to a Flowmaster 50 and out behind the rear tire.  Nice
improvement.  I like the exhaust sound and there was a definite power
increase, especially low down torque - the truck wasn't stalling quite so
often when it ran into that 'big' rock that it didn't really want to
climb.  how much was due to the header I can't say but the whole package
is working for me.  Had it in about a year now and I'm still happy.

         Sean