Re: TOY: I want this........not

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From: Ditusar7@xxxxxxx
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In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:27:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntsqd@yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> From an incredulous cK5 posting:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ite
> m=2401340959&category=33593
> 
> =====
> TS
> Ventura, CA

WOW!! If that's not a catastrophie waiting to happen! Yikes!

RD

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It seems you have to register to contact him.  Somebody with an account 
PLEASE contact this moron and tell him to destroy that before it gets people 
killed!  Could you imagine some highschool kid that just lifted his ride and 
was looking at prices on drop steering links, then saw tthis for a dollar.  
No way that kid has a chance of surviving.

Maybe I should try to contact Ebay...


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In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:27:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
ntsqd@yahoo.com writes:

 >
 >
 > From an incredulous cK5 posting:
 >
 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ite
 > m=2401340959&category=33593
 >
 > =====
 > TS
 > Ventura, CA

WOW!! If that's not a catastrophie waiting to happen! Yikes!

RD
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    It isn't that difficult to register with ebay.  I'm registered but don't
have the knowledge to impart as some of you other guys do.

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It seems you have to register to contact him.  Somebody with an account
PLEASE contact this moron and tell him to destroy that before it gets people
killed!  Could you imagine some highschool kid that just lifted his ride and
was looking at prices on drop steering links, then saw tthis for a dollar.
No way that kid has a chance of surviving.

Maybe I should try to contact Ebay...


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Subject: Re: TOY: I want this........not
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:11:16 -0500

In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:27:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ntsqd@yahoo.com writes:

 >
 >
 > From an incredulous cK5 posting:
 >
 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ite
 > m=2401340959&category=33593
 >
 > =====
 > TS
 > Ventura, CA

WOW!! If that's not a catastrophie waiting to happen! Yikes!

RD
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Subject: TOY: horrible engine miss
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I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before asking.

sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss 
sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/ rattling. 
Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried tapping/twisting 
injectors and other electrical components, no change. Checked timing and 
valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 intake .11 exhaust). 
Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS from an 85 celica (before 
it was worse (more violent while driving) with the TPS connected that with 
TPS disconnected, now is same either way). Check engine light will flash on 
while driving, pulled codes, replaced TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom the 
charge/brake lights will flash on when it missed. Has missed so bad it died 
on highway. EGR works, makes no difference if driven with vac. hose 
disconnected from EGR valve.


Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a 
vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.

conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake 
housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front of 
cat.

possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at full 
throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but they're 
still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried spraying starting 
fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also suspect. I will 
pull and ohm test it.

Anyone?? please.?..


-Kerry White



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hey check your fuel filter if it is EFI or your your fuel pump,



At 04:01 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:


>I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before asking.
>
>sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss 
>sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/ 
>rattling. Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried 
>tapping/twisting injectors and other electrical components, no change. 
>Checked timing and valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 
>intake .11 exhaust). Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS 
>from an 85 celica (before it was worse (more violent while driving) with 
>the TPS connected that with TPS disconnected, now is same either way). 
>Check engine light will flash on while driving, pulled codes, replaced 
>TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom the charge/brake lights will flash on 
>when it missed. Has missed so bad it died on highway. EGR works, makes no 
>difference if driven with vac. hose disconnected from EGR valve.
>
>
>Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a 
>vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.
>
>conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake 
>housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front 
>of cat.
>
>possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at 
>full throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but 
>they're still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried 
>spraying starting fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also 
>suspect. I will pull and ohm test it.
>
>Anyone?? please.?..
>
>
>-Kerry White
>
>
>
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I am fixing to leave and don't have a lot of time...

I am also, not a mechanical genious...

But, my first gut feeling was something to do with not getting enough
power... like there is a high load at highway speeds, or there is a ground
that is sucking juice over big bumps... alternator is not working at higher
rpms... something.

Do you have good/consistent power from Alt and Battery while idle and WOT?
Like I said, I am not genius, just throwing out my thoughts.

 -----Original Message-----
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Subject:	TOY: horrible engine miss



I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before asking.

sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss 
sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/ rattling. 
Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried tapping/twisting 
injectors and other electrical components, no change. Checked timing and 
valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 intake .11 exhaust). 
Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS from an 85 celica (before

it was worse (more violent while driving) with the TPS connected that with 
TPS disconnected, now is same either way). Check engine light will flash on 
while driving, pulled codes, replaced TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom the 
charge/brake lights will flash on when it missed. Has missed so bad it died 
on highway. EGR works, makes no difference if driven with vac. hose 
disconnected from EGR valve.


Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a 
vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.

conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake 
housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front of 
cat.

possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at full

throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but they're 
still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried spraying starting

fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also suspect. I will 
pull and ohm test it.

Anyone?? please.?..


-Kerry White



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I am not sure, which engine you have, but I has the exact same symptoms on my
'92 4Runner. 3.0 3VZE Engine. I am sure that the same problem could occur on the
22Rs EFI or whatever.
I tested everything, to include the Air Flow Meter in accordance with the Toyota
Maintenance Manual. All tests indicated good. The problem was in the connector
itself.
1) Cut the sealant bead from the top of the AFM.
2) Carefully remove the lid and retain for reinstallation.
3) Remove the connector plug.
4) Remove the two screws, which hold the connector.
Note: You will notice that the connector can easily be moved. To my surprise
it was not soldered to the intergrated circuit board. The pins are spring loaded

to apply pressure to the IC board.
The in lies the problem. The solder points on the IC board have become worn and
tarnished.
5) Carefully remove the connector from the AFM case.
6) Renew the solder, preferrably by adding a small amount of solder to each
contact point. If you had to, you could probably clean the contact points with
light sandpaper.
7) Reassemble the AFM and seal the lid.
8) Start her up and test drive.
Good Luck!
Bryan P. Knowles
insp79@attbi.com

Kerry White wrote:

> I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before asking.
>
> sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss
> sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/ rattling.
> Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried tapping/twisting
> injectors and other electrical components, no change. Checked timing and
> valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 intake .11 exhaust).
> Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS from an 85 celica (before
> it was worse (more violent while driving) with the TPS connected that with
> TPS disconnected, now is same either way). Check engine light will flash on
> while driving, pulled codes, replaced TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom the
> charge/brake lights will flash on when it missed. Has missed so bad it died
> on highway. EGR works, makes no difference if driven with vac. hose
> disconnected from EGR valve.
>
> Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a
> vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.
>
> conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake
> housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front of
> cat.
>
> possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at full
> throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but they're
> still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried spraying starting
> fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also suspect. I will
> pull and ohm test it.
>
> Anyone?? please.?..
>
> -Kerry White
>
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I will DEFINATELY check that out tomorrow.

Thanks!!



>
>I am not sure, which engine you have, but I has the exact same symptoms on 
>my
>'92 4Runner. 3.0 3VZE Engine. I am sure that the same problem could occur 
>on the
>22Rs EFI or whatever.
>I tested everything, to include the Air Flow Meter in accordance with the 
>Toyota
>Maintenance Manual. All tests indicated good. The problem was in the 
>connector
>itself.
>1) Cut the sealant bead from the top of the AFM.
>2) Carefully remove the lid and retain for reinstallation.
>3) Remove the connector plug.
>4) Remove the two screws, which hold the connector.
>Note: You will notice that the connector can easily be moved. To my 
>surprise
>it was not soldered to the intergrated circuit board. The pins are spring 
>loaded
>
>to apply pressure to the IC board.
>The in lies the problem. The solder points on the IC board have become worn 
>and
>tarnished.
>5) Carefully remove the connector from the AFM case.
>6) Renew the solder, preferrably by adding a small amount of solder to each
>contact point. If you had to, you could probably clean the contact points 
>with
>light sandpaper.
>7) Reassemble the AFM and seal the lid.
>8) Start her up and test drive.
>Good Luck!
>Bryan P. Knowles
>insp79@attbi.com
>
>Kerry White wrote:
>
> > I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before 
>asking.
> >
> > sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss
> > sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/ 
>rattling.
> > Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried tapping/twisting
> > injectors and other electrical components, no change. Checked timing and
> > valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 intake .11 exhaust).
> > Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS from an 85 celica 
>(before
> > it was worse (more violent while driving) with the TPS connected that 
>with
> > TPS disconnected, now is same either way). Check engine light will flash 
>on
> > while driving, pulled codes, replaced TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom 
>the
> > charge/brake lights will flash on when it missed. Has missed so bad it 
>died
> > on highway. EGR works, makes no difference if driven with vac. hose
> > disconnected from EGR valve.
> >
> > Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a
> > vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.
> >
> > conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake
> > housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front 
>of
> > cat.
> >
> > possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at 
>full
> > throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but they're
> > still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried spraying 
>starting
> > fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also suspect. I will
> > pull and ohm test it.
> >
> > Anyone?? please.?..
> >
> > -Kerry White
> >
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How do you know the TPS from the junkyard is good? Did you test the TPS?
It's in the service manual and on this website:
http://4crawler.cruiserpages.com/4x4/CheapTricks/TPS/index.shtml (that's
really a very excellent writeup). Also there is a device at the end of the
fuel line (the exact name of the device escapes me) that can leak or cause
pressure fluctuations. Take my experience here, before you buy a new one
(about $80 from the dealer) pop off the little plastic cover and make sure
the screw in the middle is tight.

I has similar problems that seemed to be fuel delivery and replaced the fuel
pump, fuel filter, the above mentioned "device". It turned out to be the
TPS. I removed it, tested it, and found it to be full of a huge amount of
goo and sludge. Cleaned it with WD-40, replaced it, adjusted it, problem
went away. Good luck!

Marc Sahr

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-toyota@4x4Wire.com [mailto:owner-toyota@4x4Wire.com]On
Behalf Of Kerry White
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:18 PM
To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
Subject: Re: TOY: horrible engine miss


I will DEFINATELY check that out tomorrow.

Thanks!!



>
>I am not sure, which engine you have, but I has the exact same symptoms on
>my
>'92 4Runner. 3.0 3VZE Engine. I am sure that the same problem could occur
>on the
>22Rs EFI or whatever.
>I tested everything, to include the Air Flow Meter in accordance with the
>Toyota
>Maintenance Manual. All tests indicated good. The problem was in the
>connector
>itself.
>1) Cut the sealant bead from the top of the AFM.
>2) Carefully remove the lid and retain for reinstallation.
>3) Remove the connector plug.
>4) Remove the two screws, which hold the connector.
>Note: You will notice that the connector can easily be moved. To my
>surprise
>it was not soldered to the intergrated circuit board. The pins are spring
>loaded
>
>to apply pressure to the IC board.
>The in lies the problem. The solder points on the IC board have become worn
>and
>tarnished.
>5) Carefully remove the connector from the AFM case.
>6) Renew the solder, preferrably by adding a small amount of solder to each
>contact point. If you had to, you could probably clean the contact points
>with
>light sandpaper.
>7) Reassemble the AFM and seal the lid.
>8) Start her up and test drive.
>Good Luck!
>Bryan P. Knowles
>insp79@attbi.com
>
>Kerry White wrote:
>
> > I've been trying to figure this out myself for about a week before
>asking.
> >
> > sysmptoms: My engine misses, worst at full throttle. It will miss
> > sporadicaly at idle, and misses most often when going over bumps/
>rattling.
> > Checked for any loose connectors, found none, tried tapping/twisting
> > injectors and other electrical components, no change. Checked timing and
> > valve lash, both perfect (valves set to a tight .7 intake .11 exhaust).
> > Tried a different coil, put in a good junkyard TPS from an 85 celica
>(before
> > it was worse (more violent while driving) with the TPS connected that
>with
> > TPS disconnected, now is same either way). Check engine light will flash
>on
> > while driving, pulled codes, replaced TPS, no codes coming now. Seldom
>the
> > charge/brake lights will flash on when it missed. Has missed so bad it
>died
> > on highway. EGR works, makes no difference if driven with vac. hose
> > disconnected from EGR valve.
> >
> > Also I have to give it about a 1/4 throttle to start, makes me suspect a
> > vacuum leak/AFM? I will ohm test AFM, though I doubt its bad.
> >
> > conditions: I have no fuel pressure VSV, just a vacuum line from intake
> > housing to fuel pressure regulator. And exhaust is disconnected in front
>of
> > cat.
> >
> > possibilities: I still suspect fuel pump (since worst under load and at
>full
> > throttle when it'd need more gas), distributor/wires/plugs (but they're
> > still pretty new), vacuum leak a strong suspicion. I tried spraying
>starting
> > fluid/WD-40 all around vacuum lines, no change. ECU also suspect. I will
> > pull and ohm test it.
> >
> > Anyone?? please.?..
> >
> > -Kerry White
> >
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