Re: TOY: frames

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Subject: Re: TOY: frames
From: "Russ Wylie" <broknyota@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:30:54 +0000


speaking of frames...

look at my thanksgiving break project...



http://www.yakastonia.com/~shadey/web_pics/roscoe/roscoe_cat.html#row1


yeeeha



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Surely someone knows..?

>
>I'm having the same problem with my 1988 22re.  If you find out the correct
>way to check the timing please let me know.  As far as I know I am doing
>everything the same way I've always set timing on other vehicals.
>Chuck


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Short connector on firewall, use a timing light set base timingto 5
degrees BTDC...unjumper test connector...drive happy. Shorting the
connector is the most often missed step with the 22RE 

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>Surely someone knows..?
>
>>
>>I'm having the same problem with my 1988 22re.  If you find out the
>correct
>>way to check the timing please let me know.  As far as I know I am
>doing
>>everything the same way I've always set timing on other vehicals.
>>Chuck
>
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You have to jumper across the E1 to T1 terminals under the hood.  This
disables the computer adjustments while adjusting the timing.  I'm stating
those off the top of my head, but when I get home (in a couple of hours)
I'll look and make sure those are right.  

Bob
29 DTG

> -----Original Message-----
>  
> 
> Short connector on firewall, use a timing light set base timingto 5
> degrees BTDC...unjumper test connector...drive happy. Shorting the
> connector is the most often missed step with the 22RE 
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: kerry_e_white@hotmail.com
> To: toy4x4@moab.off-road.com, toyota@4x4Wire.com
> Subject: RE: TOY: timing
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:37 -0600
> 
> >Surely someone knows..?
> >
> >>
> >>I'm having the same problem with my 1988 22re.  If you find out the
> >correct
> >>way to check the timing please let me know.  As far as I know I am
> >doing
> >>everything the same way I've always set timing on other vehicals.
> >>Chuck
> >
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Did setting your timing back to 5BTDC fix your cold start problem?
I personaly run 8BTDC jumped (About 16BTDC not jumped) on my truck and found
that to be the best setting for power/gas milage.
Maybe you did not jump the right connector.? What year truck is it?
Alex.

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>
> I just bought a timing light (trying to diagnose a cold-start problem,
> suspected timing), I've always set timing by ear before. Shorted the E1
and
> T terminals per the FSM, and found my timing was set at about 20-25
degrees
> BTDC. Set it to 5 and it idled down a lot, when revving it backed up to
> about 14 BTDC. When driving across about 20 miles of hills, power was a
lot
> worse, could't stand it so I pulled over and reset to where I had it set
by
> ear.
> My questions are: Why did it run so much better at 20 BTDC than at the
> specified 5? And what does it do to short the two terminals, I tried
setting
> timing with and without them shorted and didn't notice any difference, am
I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kerry White
>
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  As long as that plug is shorted, it should work. You will hear the
engine pitch change. If it doesn't, that plug may not be working. This
plug will also show you your 'check codes' so turn off the truck, short it
and turn the ignition to on but don't start the truck. If your check
engine light starts flashing codes, the plug works. If the plug works,
check your TPS. On my truck, the TPS had been bad and I'd replaced it but
someone had done some 'rewiring' in the plug that went onto it. I had to
cut a good plug off another vehicle and splice it on and now I can check
my timing accurately. Of course, in that time I installed an electric fan
and it blocks my view of the timing marks so it doesn't matter much! <G>
  When I first got the truck, I was the same way, about 20-30 degrees and
the truck sounded right.  It hardly even ran at 5degrees so I just ignored
it for a bit figuring a tooth was out or something and then I caught that
messed up plug and realized that the engine sounded different with the
plug shorted or not.

	Sean

> Surely someone knows..?
>
> >
> >I'm having the same problem with my 1988 22re.  If you find out the correct
> >way to check the timing please let me know.  As far as I know I am doing
> >everything the same way I've always set timing on other vehicals.
> >Chuck
>


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It's the E1 to TE1 terminals in the diagnosis panel next to the underhood
fusebox.

Bob
29 DTG

----- Original Message -----

> You have to jumper across the E1 to T1 terminals under the hood.  This
> disables the computer adjustments while adjusting the timing.  I'm stating
> those off the top of my head, but when I get home (in a couple of hours)
> I'll look and make sure those are right.
>
> Bob
> 29 DTG
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > Short connector on firewall, use a timing light set base timingto 5
> > degrees BTDC...unjumper test connector...drive happy. Shorting the
> > connector is the most often missed step with the 22RE
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: kerry_e_white@hotmail.com
> > To: toy4x4@moab.off-road.com, toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > Subject: RE: TOY: timing
> > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:37 -0600
> >
> > >Surely someone knows..?
> > >
> > >>
> > >>I'm having the same problem with my 1988 22re.  If you find out the
> > >correct
> > >>way to check the timing please let me know.  As far as I know I am
> > >doing
> > >>everything the same way I've always set timing on other vehicals.
> > >>Chuck
> > >
> > >
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Alexander M. Senik wrote:
> 
> Did setting your timing back to 5BTDC fix your cold start problem?
> I personaly run 8BTDC jumped (About 16BTDC not jumped) on my truck and found
> that to be the best setting for power/gas milage.

5 degrees jumped = 12 degrees not jumped. 
So anyone who is confused about the jumping procedure
can just set to 12 not jumped 

BTW - 8 / 16 is bad for engine life and long term reliability so no one
should ever use that setting unless they are
willing to accept and can afford long term consequences.

Paul Cherubini

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If my engine does not ping @ 8 BTDC why would it be bad?
I set my timing  according to the instruction posted by Tim Jenkins (DOA
Racing).

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=20b9d4b7a0e571b0f7a2e4f24b03
a668&threadid=40962&highlight=doa+timing

"Ok ready, first pull off the efi fuse for a couple of seconds, then
reinstall it. Grab some Autolite #65 plugs, and side gap them at .048. Set
the valve clearance to .011 cold. Install the factory carbed thermostat
{Pappy: it's a 180* vs. 190*). Adjust the AFM 3 teeth rich (under 5000
a.s.l.). Start the motor, let idle till you reach operating temp. Set the
timing at 16* "not short circuted," {Pappy: about the same as 8* shorted}
then take it for a putt, re check the timing, and enjoy. Leave the airbox
alone, for it's not a cause of starvation on a stocker, and don't worry
about the muffler for now. If you're going to modify the exhaust, start with
a header, and 2.5" headpipe."

A follow-up from later that day:

"... you pull the EFI fuse to start the ECU's regathering of fuel mixture
readings, because you are altering them via the AFM. The #65's are a hotter
plug, and will in this case create a more efficient burn. You WILL NOT
detonate when the timing is set 16* NOT SHORT CIRCUTED, because the end
reading when short circuted will be 8* advanced. The afm adjustment
enrichens the motor aproximately 3cc. This is necessary due to the timing
advance, which requires a proper mixture."

Alex.


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Subject: Re: TOY: Re: timing question


> Alexander M. Senik wrote:
> >
> > Did setting your timing back to 5BTDC fix your cold start problem?
> > I personaly run 8BTDC jumped (About 16BTDC not jumped) on my truck and
found
> > that to be the best setting for power/gas milage.
>
> 5 degrees jumped = 12 degrees not jumped.
> So anyone who is confused about the jumping procedure
> can just set to 12 not jumped
>
> BTW - 8 / 16 is bad for engine life and long term reliability so no one
> should ever use that setting unless they are
> willing to accept and can afford long term consequences.
>
> Paul Cherubini
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>
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