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Re: TOY: Hey
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- Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
- From: Thom Singer <ntsqd@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
- In-Reply-To: <20020930020843.15850.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>
"my 4Runner decided to become friends with the wall of Odessa canyon"
That would be the narrow, off-camber slot of a hillclimb just below the
mine itself ? That's a trickier spot than it looks. I have video of a
couple of my Dune Buggy friends coming up that. The 2 LC guys who were
waiting to go down-canyon couldn't believe what they were seeing.....
--- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Calico was a blast, except for when my 4Runner decided
> to become friends with the wall of Odessa canyon :(
> Busted a tail light and dinged/scraped the quarter
> panel even more. Funny, I've done body damage on four
> different occasions, and all 4 times it is the
> left-rear quarter panel. Anyway, I got a bunch of
> pictures and will post them soon. No one esaped
> unscathed from this trip. Danny hit his quarter panel
> on a dirt hill and got some scrapes, Adam broke one of
> his turn indicators off the front of his FJ and bent
> the fender slightly. Lars got off easy with one minor
> ding and a bent control arm mount. Oh, and I managed
> to pop a tire off the bead. It was a GOOD trip.
>
> Thanks for the spring info!
>
> --- brandon naves <im4boardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Mike, don't forget to tell us how Calico goes.
> > As for the Chevy's, it's a very popular swap. I'd
> > say about 30% of the
> > Pirate BB guys are running them. I'm gonna throw
> > some on with a 3/4
> > elliptic setup. Toy top leafs, prob 2 leafs per
> > side. Might even buggy out
> > the front springs!
> > You'll get to see them though. Sean has them on his
> > truck now, but his
> > truck is down for the SAS.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > I'm investigating the 63" Chevy spring swap right
> > now.
> > From what I have read, it sounds like they work
> > great
> > with no downsides except for their extreme length.
> > They stick out past the rear tires pretty far and I
> > am
> > afraid of banging them too much coming off ledges.
> > But
> > I am interested to hear some "real world"
> > experiences.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- Rich V <kasteelbier@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey Brandon, thanks for the reply. I did a spring
> > > over conversion on my 71
> > > FJ40, the BEST thing I ever did, 7 inches of
> > lift,
> > > with a stock ride, and
> > > PLENTY of flex. I like the idea of using longer
> > > junkyard springs but I'm new
> > > to the mini world and right now I'm shying away
> > from
> > > permanent mods. AOR and
> > > AllPro are relatively expensive but if they're as
> > > flexy as they say then
> > > they might be worth it...
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "brandon naves" <im4boardin@hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > >Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > > >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:48:54 -0700
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The cheapest way to get a long travel
> > suspension
> > > would be with junkyard
> > > >springs that are longer than stock. Yes, this
> > will
> > > require welding new
> > > >hangars, but I'm sure a competent
> > > fabricator/welding shop can do it quickly
> > > >and pretty cheap. There's a lot of different
> > > springs you can use. 63"
> > > >Chevy 1/2 ton rears, Waggy's, YJ's...
> > > > If you are really set on using the stock
> > hangars,
> > > give
> > > >www.allprooffroad.com or www.aor4x4.com a try.
> > > They have some good
> > > >springs, and AOR's Orbit Eyes are sweet, but all
> > > pricey.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >B
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From: Todd Ballard <todd@bonnifer.com>
Subject: TOY: seats
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I have an 83 p/u with the bench seat back and bucket
bottoms. The seat is about shot. Any good replacement
that won't jam my head into the roof or kill my leg
room too much?
Thanks,
=====
Todd Ballard - TLCA 5658, GLLC, WCLC
Naperville, IL
74 VJ-40 buncha stuff
95 FZJ-80 -lifted and locked
83 PU - coachwork by F2O3
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From: Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TOY: seats
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These: http://www.verdoneautoupholstery.com/customseats.html go about
$150 each. Sometimes on sale for $129/ea.
--- Todd Ballard <todd@bonnifer.com> wrote:
> I have an 83 p/u with the bench seat back and bucket
> bottoms. The seat is about shot. Any good replacement
> that won't jam my head into the roof or kill my leg
> room too much?
>
> Thanks,
>
> =====
> Todd Ballard - TLCA 5658, GLLC, WCLC
> Naperville, IL
> 74 VJ-40 buncha stuff
> 95 FZJ-80 -lifted and locked
> 83 PU - coachwork by F2O3
> pics at:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tballard2000?a&.intl=us&.src=ph
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
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Subject: Re: TOY: roller rockers?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:27:43 -0500
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Right on, but what about roller rockers?
-Kerry White
>
>Thom Singer wrote:
> >
> > If you run them too tight you run the risk of the valves not completely
> > seating when the engine gets really hot. You will increase the
> > effective duration of the cam at the expense of the valves not spending
> > enough time on the seat to transfer enough of it's heat to the head. In
> > the case of the exhaust valve that can lead to a burnt valve. If you
> > never operate the engine at high revs, this won't be a problem. If you
> > operate it at high revs for long periods, this could be a real problem.
> > I advise baby steps when going in this direction.
>
>I ran valve clearances of .005 (intake) and .009 (exhaust)
>slight drag for the first 160,000 miles on my '92 22RE because that's
>the setting Toyota in Japan set the engine at when it was brand new.
>I figured Toyota engineers knew what they were doing. Then
>for the subsequent 254,000 miles I ran .007/.011 stiff sliding fit
>clearances because I liked the more free revving feel this gave to the
>engine.
>
>Now with 414,000 miles on the engine it still runs like new
>with like new compression. My conclusion: clearances as
>tight as .005/.009 cause no damage on the aluminum rocker
>'85-'95 22R series models in normal driving, including sustained 75-80 MPH
>driving across California's Central Valley in 100-110 degree
>summer weather with the AC on.
>
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That would be correct! I was the first one to go up
and went for it without a spotter. The holes in the
left side were nice and deep and the next thing I knew
I had slid over to within inches of the wall. Not a
whole lot that could be done at that point as any
movement brought me closer and closer. Sigh...
Everyone else stayed as far away from that wall as
possible and made it up fine although not without some
excitement. I was thinking about how bad it would suck
to roll a vehicle in that notch.
Anyone have a spare LH taillight lens?
I'll post pictures later tonight or tomorrow
hopefully.
Now the rest of Odessa was a highway, it filled in
with sand and someone has done A LOT of rock stacking.
Also, someone has removed a HUGE boulder from the
obstacle at the mouth of the canyon, taking all the
fun out of it. Believe it or not, Duran was actually
more challenging (not counting the obstacle at the
mouth of Duran). Of course, it there is a good rain
before the Nov trip things will change again.
Mike
--- Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "my 4Runner decided to become friends with the wall
> of Odessa canyon"
>
> That would be the narrow, off-camber slot of a
> hillclimb just below the
> mine itself ? That's a trickier spot than it looks.
> I have video of a
> couple of my Dune Buggy friends coming up that. The
> 2 LC guys who were
> waiting to go down-canyon couldn't believe what they
> were seeing.....
>
>
> --- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Calico was a blast, except for when my 4Runner
> decided
> > to become friends with the wall of Odessa canyon
> :(
> > Busted a tail light and dinged/scraped the quarter
> > panel even more. Funny, I've done body damage on
> four
> > different occasions, and all 4 times it is the
> > left-rear quarter panel. Anyway, I got a bunch of
> > pictures and will post them soon. No one esaped
> > unscathed from this trip. Danny hit his quarter
> panel
> > on a dirt hill and got some scrapes, Adam broke
> one of
> > his turn indicators off the front of his FJ and
> bent
> > the fender slightly. Lars got off easy with one
> minor
> > ding and a bent control arm mount. Oh, and I
> managed
> > to pop a tire off the bead. It was a GOOD trip.
> >
> > Thanks for the spring info!
> >
> > --- brandon naves <im4boardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey Mike, don't forget to tell us how Calico
> goes.
> > > As for the Chevy's, it's a very popular swap.
> I'd
> > > say about 30% of the
> > > Pirate BB guys are running them. I'm gonna
> throw
> > > some on with a 3/4
> > > elliptic setup. Toy top leafs, prob 2 leafs per
> > > side. Might even buggy out
> > > the front springs!
> > > You'll get to see them though. Sean has them on
> his
> > > truck now, but his
> > > truck is down for the SAS.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com>
> > > Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > > I'm investigating the 63" Chevy spring swap
> right
> > > now.
> > > From what I have read, it sounds like they work
> > > great
> > > with no downsides except for their extreme
> length.
> > > They stick out past the rear tires pretty far
> and I
> > > am
> > > afraid of banging them too much coming off
> ledges.
> > > But
> > > I am interested to hear some "real world"
> > > experiences.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- Rich V <kasteelbier@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hey Brandon, thanks for the reply. I did a
> spring
> > > > over conversion on my 71
> > > > FJ40, the BEST thing I ever did, 7 inches of
> > > lift,
> > > > with a stock ride, and
> > > > PLENTY of flex. I like the idea of using
> longer
> > > > junkyard springs but I'm new
> > > > to the mini world and right now I'm shying
> away
> > > from
> > > > permanent mods. AOR and
> > > > AllPro are relatively expensive but if
> they're as
> > > > flexy as they say then
> > > > they might be worth it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "brandon naves"
> <im4boardin@hotmail.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:48:54 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The cheapest way to get a long travel
> > > suspension
> > > > would be with junkyard
> > > > >springs that are longer than stock. Yes,
> this
> > > will
> > > > require welding new
> > > > >hangars, but I'm sure a competent
> > > > fabricator/welding shop can do it quickly
> > > > >and pretty cheap. There's a lot of
> different
> > > > springs you can use. 63"
> > > > >Chevy 1/2 ton rears, Waggy's, YJ's...
> > > > > If you are really set on using the stock
> > > hangars,
> > > > give
> > > > >www.allprooffroad.com or www.aor4x4.com a
> try.
> > > > They have some good
> > > > >springs, and AOR's Orbit Eyes are sweet, but
> all
> > > > pricey.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >B
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From: Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TOY: roller rockers?
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At one point, TRD had a set, but from what I have
heard they are spendy and more for hi-rev racing.
Mike
--- Kerry White <kerry_e_white@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right on, but what about roller rockers?
>
> -Kerry White
>
> >
> >Thom Singer wrote:
> > >
> > > If you run them too tight you run the risk of
> the valves not completely
> > > seating when the engine gets really hot. You
> will increase the
> > > effective duration of the cam at the expense of
> the valves not spending
> > > enough time on the seat to transfer enough of
> it's heat to the head. In
> > > the case of the exhaust valve that can lead to a
> burnt valve. If you
> > > never operate the engine at high revs, this
> won't be a problem. If you
> > > operate it at high revs for long periods, this
> could be a real problem.
> > > I advise baby steps when going in this
> direction.
> >
> >I ran valve clearances of .005 (intake) and .009
> (exhaust)
> >slight drag for the first 160,000 miles on my '92
> 22RE because that's
> >the setting Toyota in Japan set the engine at when
> it was brand new.
> >I figured Toyota engineers knew what they were
> doing. Then
> >for the subsequent 254,000 miles I ran .007/.011
> stiff sliding fit
> >clearances because I liked the more free revving
> feel this gave to the
> >engine.
> >
> >Now with 414,000 miles on the engine it still runs
> like new
> >with like new compression. My conclusion:
> clearances as
> >tight as .005/.009 cause no damage on the aluminum
> rocker
> >'85-'95 22R series models in normal driving,
> including sustained 75-80 MPH
> >driving across California's Central Valley in
> 100-110 degree
> >summer weather with the AC on.
> >
>
>
>
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I am looking for genuine Toyota production shop manual
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> for the 1985 4Runner. Anybody now where I can get
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From: Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com>
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The real advantage of a roller rocker is in a pushrod engine. Most of
those use a stamped steel rocker with poor and inconsistant geometry. I
know of one set made for a Toyota pushrod 4 that gained a magic 15-20
HP because the ratio & geometry of the stock parts is so poor. So even
though the cam lobes are as identical as the grinder can make them,
valve A opens .500" while valve B only opens .475" because the rockers
aren't the same ratio and they tend to flex under high spring loads.
OHC engines don't need high seat pressure springs to function properly.
The other advantage of roller rockers is that with really high valve
lifts the rocker tip tends to push the valve stem sideways at the very
beginning and again near the very end of the lift cycle. The roller tip
helps prevent this from wearing the guides out too fast. OHC engines
rarely need such high valve lifts, so it isn't nearly an issue to worry
about.
--- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At one point, TRD had a set, but from what I have
> heard they are spendy and more for hi-rev racing.
>
> Mike
>
> --- Kerry White <kerry_e_white@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Right on, but what about roller rockers?
> >
> > -Kerry White
> >
> > >
> > >Thom Singer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you run them too tight you run the risk of
> > the valves not completely
> > > > seating when the engine gets really hot. You
> > will increase the
> > > > effective duration of the cam at the expense of
> > the valves not spending
> > > > enough time on the seat to transfer enough of
> > it's heat to the head. In
> > > > the case of the exhaust valve that can lead to a
> > burnt valve. If you
> > > > never operate the engine at high revs, this
> > won't be a problem. If you
> > > > operate it at high revs for long periods, this
> > could be a real problem.
> > > > I advise baby steps when going in this
> > direction.
> > >
> > >I ran valve clearances of .005 (intake) and .009
> > (exhaust)
> > >slight drag for the first 160,000 miles on my '92
> > 22RE because that's
> > >the setting Toyota in Japan set the engine at when
> > it was brand new.
> > >I figured Toyota engineers knew what they were
> > doing. Then
> > >for the subsequent 254,000 miles I ran .007/.011
> > stiff sliding fit
> > >clearances because I liked the more free revving
> > feel this gave to the
> > >engine.
> > >
> > >Now with 414,000 miles on the engine it still runs
> > like new
> > >with like new compression. My conclusion:
> > clearances as
> > >tight as .005/.009 cause no damage on the aluminum
> > rocker
> > >'85-'95 22R series models in normal driving,
> > including sustained 75-80 MPH
> > >driving across California's Central Valley in
> > 100-110 degree
> > >summer weather with the AC on.
> > >
> >
> >
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>From watching other trucks go up that, and having done countless time
in the DB I won't take Patch up it w/o first removing the shell. So
far, that hasn't happened. If the Sub isn't wrecked from driving ~2500
miles in Baja for the 1000, I hope to be able to bring the DB out.
--- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That would be correct! I was the first one to go up
> and went for it without a spotter. The holes in the
> left side were nice and deep and the next thing I knew
> I had slid over to within inches of the wall. Not a
> whole lot that could be done at that point as any
> movement brought me closer and closer. Sigh...
> Everyone else stayed as far away from that wall as
> possible and made it up fine although not without some
> excitement. I was thinking about how bad it would suck
> to roll a vehicle in that notch.
>
> Anyone have a spare LH taillight lens?
>
> I'll post pictures later tonight or tomorrow
> hopefully.
>
> Now the rest of Odessa was a highway, it filled in
> with sand and someone has done A LOT of rock stacking.
> Also, someone has removed a HUGE boulder from the
> obstacle at the mouth of the canyon, taking all the
> fun out of it. Believe it or not, Duran was actually
> more challenging (not counting the obstacle at the
> mouth of Duran). Of course, it there is a good rain
> before the Nov trip things will change again.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "my 4Runner decided to become friends with the wall
> > of Odessa canyon"
> >
> > That would be the narrow, off-camber slot of a
> > hillclimb just below the
> > mine itself ? That's a trickier spot than it looks.
> > I have video of a
> > couple of my Dune Buggy friends coming up that. The
> > 2 LC guys who were
> > waiting to go down-canyon couldn't believe what they
> > were seeing.....
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Calico was a blast, except for when my 4Runner
> > decided
> > > to become friends with the wall of Odessa canyon
> > :(
> > > Busted a tail light and dinged/scraped the quarter
> > > panel even more. Funny, I've done body damage on
> > four
> > > different occasions, and all 4 times it is the
> > > left-rear quarter panel. Anyway, I got a bunch of
> > > pictures and will post them soon. No one esaped
> > > unscathed from this trip. Danny hit his quarter
> > panel
> > > on a dirt hill and got some scrapes, Adam broke
> > one of
> > > his turn indicators off the front of his FJ and
> > bent
> > > the fender slightly. Lars got off easy with one
> > minor
> > > ding and a bent control arm mount. Oh, and I
> > managed
> > > to pop a tire off the bead. It was a GOOD trip.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the spring info!
> > >
> > > --- brandon naves <im4boardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hey Mike, don't forget to tell us how Calico
> > goes.
> > > > As for the Chevy's, it's a very popular swap.
> > I'd
> > > > say about 30% of the
> > > > Pirate BB guys are running them. I'm gonna
> > throw
> > > > some on with a 3/4
> > > > elliptic setup. Toy top leafs, prob 2 leafs per
> > > > side. Might even buggy out
> > > > the front springs!
> > > > You'll get to see them though. Sean has them on
> > his
> > > > truck now, but his
> > > > truck is down for the SAS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > From: Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com>
> > > > Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > > I'm investigating the 63" Chevy spring swap
> > right
> > > > now.
> > > > From what I have read, it sounds like they work
> > > > great
> > > > with no downsides except for their extreme
> > length.
> > > > They stick out past the rear tires pretty far
> > and I
> > > > am
> > > > afraid of banging them too much coming off
> > ledges.
> > > > But
> > > > I am interested to hear some "real world"
> > > > experiences.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- Rich V <kasteelbier@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hey Brandon, thanks for the reply. I did a
> > spring
> > > > > over conversion on my 71
> > > > > FJ40, the BEST thing I ever did, 7 inches of
> > > > lift,
> > > > > with a stock ride, and
> > > > > PLENTY of flex. I like the idea of using
> > longer
> > > > > junkyard springs but I'm new
> > > > > to the mini world and right now I'm shying
> > away
> > > > from
> > > > > permanent mods. AOR and
> > > > > AllPro are relatively expensive but if
> > they're as
> > > > > flexy as they say then
> > > > > they might be worth it...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "brandon naves"
> > <im4boardin@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > > >To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: TOY: Hey
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:48:54 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cheapest way to get a long travel
> > > > suspension
> > > > > would be with junkyard
> > > > > >springs that are longer than stock. Yes,
> > this
> > > > will
> > > > > require welding new
> > > > > >hangars, but I'm sure a competent
> > > > > fabricator/welding shop can do it quickly
> > > > > >and pretty cheap. There's a lot of
> > different
> > > > > springs you can use. 63"
> > > > > >Chevy 1/2 ton rears, Waggy's, YJ's...
> > > > > > If you are really set on using the stock
> > > > hangars,
> > > > > give
> > > > > >www.allprooffroad.com or www.aor4x4.com a
> > try.
> > > > > They have some good
> > > > > >springs, and AOR's Orbit Eyes are sweet, but
> > all
> > > > > pricey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >B
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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