Re: TOY: Re: Other Toy 4x4 lists?

["Ed Billeci" <tube@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

That list does not seem to be functional. (see:
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/toymail2.html )
Maybe the Majordomo is still working. Anyone got subscription info?

Ed in Oregon
bought an 85 runner last sat night, and i'm looking for ideas. I bought it
to drop my low-mile '96 2LT-2 TD motor into, but it runs so good I don't
want to pull the 22RE. Now I am still looking for an 84 runner sans/broken
motor to continue my TD project.....


>You really want to know about the "other" list????
>
>The only other one I know about is on www.off-road.com.
>
>Bob
>Shorttimer
>116 DTG
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Billeci" <tube@spiritone.com>
>
>
>> I guess I have too much time on my hands...are there any other mail lists
>> for toy 4x4/4Runners?
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>> Ed
>>
>
>
>4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/




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From: Richard Eddy <rweddy1@yahoo.com>
Subject: TOY: AC questions
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Well my ac seems to have died this weekend, I went out
and there was a puddle of oil or fluid under my truck
and now the ac compressor will not turn on at all. 
What are my choices on converting to the new ac and
what will this set me back?
Any shop recommendations in Colorado?
I figure I could do most of the work my self save for
charing the system or can I do that myself?

Richard Eddy 
87 SR5 4runner

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Sounds like you got a leak, the refrigerant and oil leaked out, and your
compressor seized.  You will need a new compressor ($250 or so new, but I
found a used one for myself for $30), a new receiver/dryer (under $30). a
new expansion valve (under $30).  If you will convert to R134a, you will
need all new o-rings I think (minimal cost).  You probably can do all of the
work yourself, except for maybe the vacuum/recharge.  You can do this too if
you have a manifold gauge set, a vac pump, and some knowledge.

You can keep it R-12 if you want, but you still have to do all of the above
except for maybe the o-rings.  You need to fix the leak for sure, which
could be anywhere, but find where the oil leaked out and that will tell you.
R-12 will run colder, but it is more expensive (like $50/pound).  R-134 runs
less cold, but it is cold enough for me here in the Texas heat and it is
much less expensive (like $13/pound) and much less regulated, so you can buy
it and a shop can add it to a leaky system to get it to cool again if it has
a slow leak.  The shop I used charged $95 for the vac/recharge including the
R134a and the oil.  I also had to get the compressor clutch respaced which
cost about $40.

HTH

Pat

----- Original Message -----
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<toy4x4@moab.off-road.com>; SUV 4x4Wire.com 4runner <ToyotaSUV@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:06 AM
Subject: TOY: AC questions


> Well my ac seems to have died this weekend, I went out
> and there was a puddle of oil or fluid under my truck
> and now the ac compressor will not turn on at all.
> What are my choices on converting to the new ac and
> what will this set me back?
> Any shop recommendations in Colorado?
> I figure I could do most of the work my self save for
> charing the system or can I do that myself?
>
> Richard Eddy
> 87 SR5 4runner
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>


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Oh yeah, you probably should flush the system with denatured alcohol.  Blow
it through with compressed air.  Don't flush through the old dryer or the
expansion valve.

----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Fogle <pfogle@bhcmhmr.org>
To: <toyota@4x4Wire.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: AC questions


> Sounds like you got a leak, the refrigerant and oil leaked out, and your
> compressor seized.  You will need a new compressor ($250 or so new, but I
> found a used one for myself for $30), a new receiver/dryer (under $30). a
> new expansion valve (under $30).  If you will convert to R134a, you will
> need all new o-rings I think (minimal cost).  You probably can do all of
the
> work yourself, except for maybe the vacuum/recharge.  You can do this too
if
> you have a manifold gauge set, a vac pump, and some knowledge.
>
> You can keep it R-12 if you want, but you still have to do all of the
above
> except for maybe the o-rings.  You need to fix the leak for sure, which
> could be anywhere, but find where the oil leaked out and that will tell
you.
> R-12 will run colder, but it is more expensive (like $50/pound).  R-134
runs
> less cold, but it is cold enough for me here in the Texas heat and it is
> much less expensive (like $13/pound) and much less regulated, so you can
buy
> it and a shop can add it to a leaky system to get it to cool again if it
has
> a slow leak.  The shop I used charged $95 for the vac/recharge including
the
> R134a and the oil.  I also had to get the compressor clutch respaced which
> cost about $40.
>
> HTH
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Eddy <rweddy1@yahoo.com>
> To: 4x4wire Toyota list 4runner <toyota@4x4Wire.com>; off-road.com 4runner
> <toy4x4@moab.off-road.com>; SUV 4x4Wire.com 4runner
<ToyotaSUV@4x4Wire.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:06 AM
> Subject: TOY: AC questions
>
>
> > Well my ac seems to have died this weekend, I went out
> > and there was a puddle of oil or fluid under my truck
> > and now the ac compressor will not turn on at all.
> > What are my choices on converting to the new ac and
> > what will this set me back?
> > Any shop recommendations in Colorado?
> > I figure I could do most of the work my self save for
> > charing the system or can I do that myself?
> >
> > Richard Eddy
> > 87 SR5 4runner
> > 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
> >
>


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The system has a low pressure switch which keeps the compressor from
running if the freon charge runs low. Most likely the compressor is
perfectly fine, and you simply blew a hose or seal.



-----Original Message-----
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Sounds like you got a leak, the refrigerant and oil leaked out, and your
compressor seized. 

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----Original Message Follows----
From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@saber.net>


  "I have been using premium gas for 412,000 miles and never
experienced a fuel system problem like plugged injectors. I just
manually clean the throttle body plate and bore at every tune up
with carburetor cleaner and a toothbrush. I also change the EFI fuel
filter every 30-50,000 miles.

Paul Cherubini"

   Are you running premium (91 octane, I assume) in a stock motor?  What 
kind of compression?
  The only reason to run high octane fuel is if you have a high compression 
engine.  If you have a stock engine with low compression and the factory 
recommends 87 octane, then running 91 will actually slightly decrease your 
performance because it takes a bit longer to burn (you could compensate for 
this though).
  Plugged injectors has a lot to do with the quality of gas.  Arco gas uses 
a lot of alcohol addative, and that's why it's cheaper than say Chevron, who 
uses Techron.  If you've been using low quality gas and want to clean out 
your fuel system with something other than gumout, go buy a bottle of 
Techron, or techroline, and dump it in as per the recommendations.  The 
alcohol in Arco gas does have some negative effects, like wearing out parts 
faster.  Techroline has no negatives that we now of, yet, except it's a 
little more $$.


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True, I did not think about that.  You could confirm this by running 12
volts through the clutch and then looking to see if the compressor will
turn.  Don't do it for very long.


----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Krause <skrause@4-low.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: TOY: RE: Re: AC questions


> The system has a low pressure switch which keeps the compressor from
> running if the freon charge runs low. Most likely the compressor is
> perfectly fine, and you simply blew a hose or seal.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Fogle [mailto:pfogle@bhcmhmr.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:26 AM
> To: toyota@4x4Wire.com
> Subject: TOY: Re: AC questions
>
>
> Sounds like you got a leak, the refrigerant and oil leaked out, and your
> compressor seized.
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/
>


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I run 89 in my truck with occasional 91/93

I always run 93 in my car - 10:1 compression, and it says High Octane Only
on the door.

I have had discussions about this before, but have never found a definitive
write up, that I could show people, which would convince them better than my
babbling.  If you know of one, please let me know... I have a great one for
synthetic oil that I have posted here before.


   Are you running premium (91 octane, I assume) in a stock motor?  What 
kind of compression?
  The only reason to run high octane fuel is if you have a high compression 
engine.  If you have a stock engine with low compression and the factory 
recommends 87 octane, then running 91 will actually slightly decrease your 
performance because it takes a bit longer to burn (you could compensate for 
this though).
  Plugged injectors has a lot to do with the quality of gas.  Arco gas uses 
a lot of alcohol addative, and that's why it's cheaper than say Chevron, who

uses Techron.  If you've been using low quality gas and want to clean out 
your fuel system with something other than gumout, go buy a bottle of 
Techron, or techroline, and dump it in as per the recommendations.  The 
alcohol in Arco gas does have some negative effects, like wearing out parts 
faster.  Techroline has no negatives that we now of, yet, except it's a 
little more $$.




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I have an 86' 4runner with 126,000 miles. Has new headgasket, and new
timing chain/gears w/metal guides.  New TPS as well. Turbo is DEAD! Right
now I pretty much just want to get rid of it. It doesn't run right now as
the Turbo is out but I am thinking of putting an 22RE exhaust manifold on
it and blocking off the oil and coolant ports.

Its in Minnesota...

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> I run 89 in my truck with occasional 91/93
> 
> I always run 93 in my car - 10:1 compression, and it says High Octane Only
> on the door.

My '85 22RE lists 87 octane on the door jamb tag and I run that most of the time, using 85 when up in the states that have it. 
Not a sign of pinging.

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Ah,fangoo!

GABRIEL KANU wrote:

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> Dear Sir,
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brandon naves wrote:

>  Are you running premium (91 octane, I assume) in a stock motor?  What
> kind of compression?
>   The only reason to run high octane fuel is if you have a high compression
> engine.  If you have a stock engine with low compression and the factory
> recommends 87 octane, then running 91 will actually slightly decrease your
> performance because it takes a bit longer to burn (you could compensate for
> this though).

It's a stock 22R-E engine with stock compression.  Like millions of other
people I run premium high octane gas because the engine starts
easier and runs noticably smoother and the high detergency of
premium gas keeps fuel injectors and the entire fuel system
 troublefree for many hundreds of thousands
of miles.

In addition, my uncle is a retired chemist for Union 76 Oil and he
also  recommends premium gas for all cars as did two
college chemistry professors I once had that formerly worked for Shell
and Chevron. They explained that the smooth, not violent
burning characteristics of premium gas contribute to long engine life.

Finally, I know a Chevron fuel truck driver who
manually adds the additive packages to the gas station tanks
he delivers fuel to and he has explained that premium gas gets
a much higher dose of detergents and other goodies to keep
fuel systems troublefree.

Paul Cherubini

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----Original Message Follows----
From: Roger Brown <r.c.brown@ieee.org>

  "My '85 22RE lists 87 octane on the door jamb tag and I run that most of 
the time, using 85 when up in the states that have it.
Not a sign of pinging."

  I would be careful when doing this.  Just because you can't hear pinging, 
doesn't mean it isn't detonating.  If you can hear it, that just means it's 
a really bad case of detonation.  And also, when driving on really hot dry 
days usually under load (goin up a grade, for example), it can actually 
dramatically increase the chances of severe detonation.  That is one other 
time it would be advisable to run 1 step up on the octane than MFR 
recommendations.  Just as insurance against detonation.
  Ever see the Barstow grade?  It's about a 5 mile long section of road 
between LA and Vegas, in the middle of the desert and there's always a few 
cars with smoke pouring out from under the hood.  That's because there's a 
very slight grade they usually don't notice, they're in a rush to get to 
Vegas, and it's hot as heck.  The combustion chamber gets super-heated, some 
of the gas ignites from compression, some from the spark.  Then, peak 
compression is achieved before TDC (because the fuel burned too fast), and 
it produces power, actually trying to turn the engine backwards, which is 
known as detonation.  That's IF they are still using lower octane.  The 
higher octane will allow the gasoline to compress more, so only the spark 
ignites it, so it burns longer, allowing peak compression after TDC.  So 
eventually, these impatient gamblers punch a hole through the top of a 
piston, throw a rod, or mushroom a journal.
  If you have access to a bore-scope(sp?) or have your head pulled, you can 
inspect the top of the pistons for damage on the opposite side of the spark 
plug, which would be from detonation.  If there is damage around the middle 
of the piston, it's probably from pre-ignition.

  Mike,
I didn't get the info from the web.  I could probably get all my info 
together and put a nice write-up on my web page, but it would probably take 
a while, too.

Hope somebody understands all my ramblings and saves an engine:)
Brandon

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----Original Message Follows----
From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@saber.net>

"It's a stock 22R-E engine with stock compression.  Like millions of other
people I run premium high octane gas because the engine starts
easier and runs noticably smoother and the high detergency of
premium gas keeps fuel injectors and the entire fuel system
  troublefree for many hundreds of thousands
of miles."

  IMHO, like millions of other people, you are wasting your money.  That 
violent burning, as opposed to the smooth burning is what gives the power, 
which is why a higher octane than needed can actually decrease performance.  
And in all respect to you and your uncle, mixtures in pump gas change 
constantly.  Most likley when he was studying, 92 octane was considered low 
grade, and high grade was called 100+.  And, yes, they add more cleaning 
agents to premium.  That's part of why you pay more.  Like I said, if you 
are worried about being clean, go to Chevron and by a big jug of Techron.
  TIFWIW.
Brandon

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