RE: TOY: West Coast Trips

[Thom Singer <ntsqd@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- Mike Carter <thecarterman@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip....
> 
> Regarding Panamint, Thom is right, it is not the best
> place to go for a short weekend trip given the
> distance to get there and the size of the place.

Actually, what I've found is that in Panamint it's just the opposite.
There's a lot to do and see. It's just so very spread out that getting
to the beginning of the trail can take a good chunk out of the day.

 Just
> for reference, the wind (and flys and heat) isn't bad
> if you camp in the right place. I heard the story
> about you guys who camped on the lakebed by
> Ballarat... Ugh!!! There are much more pleasent places
> to camp out there.

If you camp at Ballarat (something like $2/day) it keeps Louie solvent
so that he can continue to be there and it keeps the cab-over chainsaw
noise and dust to a minimum. There is also a shower available from
Louie for a small fee. Like Mike said though, there are nicer places to
camp. Most of them will increase the drive time to another destination
though.

Regarding Suprise Canyone, I was at
> the Pasadena meeting last week. There were a lot of
> wheelers and others for open access there. No greens
> spoke against open access. The BLM is gathering public
> comments before drafting their final policy. The
> current closure is a temporary measure taken by the
> BLM in response to the Center for Biological
> Diversity's lawsuit agaoist the BLM. Whether the
> closure becomes permanent or is lifted has not been
> decided yet, but my feeling is that it will be
> re-opened. It is appearenly still designated as a
> county road, so the BLM has no right to close it.
> Anyway, that is the only canyon that I know of which
> requires a winch. Most of the wheeling out there is
> moderate.

Stone and Ishim Cyn's may need a winch depending on the vehicle &
circumstances. Ishim in particular is a serious trail (read approaching
Hammer class from what I've seen of it), Stone is a dead end and there
is a go-around if you're headed from Lookout City so you don't have to
run the last two dry waterfalls to get there.
 
> I think for this expedition, Calico would be the best
> option. It has a wide variety of terrain and scenary
> packed into a small area, so it is a lot of fun for a
> weekend trip. The wheeling there varies from scenic
> touring to fairly challenging, and everything in
> between including some pucker spots if you are so
> inclined. 

I'll go for that. Mike, you've now been out there enough to co-lead
this. HA ! shanghai'd.
Next we need a date.

> 
> 
> --- Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I figured to keep it non threatening and not be a
> > Hammers type trip. I
> > don't go crawling for the sake of crawling. I go to
> > see new country or
> > country I haven't seen in a while.
> > 
> > One very low key trip I've given some thot to is to
> > run the original
> > Grapevine Route btwn Castaic Lake & Gorman. I doubt
> > locked hubs would
> > even be needed for that trip, but goes thru some
> > very scenic country.
> > 
> > As far as easy access from the LA basin and the
> > border goes, I think
> > that makes it Calico. At least in the High Desert.
> > It's area I'm very
> > familiar with. Big Bear would be the other similar
> > option.
> > 
> > The only place in the Panamints I've ever seen where
> > a winch is the
> > only way up is Surprise Cyn. There are lots of other
> > trails that a
> > stock 4wd will find challenging or interesting w/o
> > it being
> > threatening. Panamint is a 4 hr drive from here
> > though, so from the
> > border would be at least 7. Not a simple weekend
> > trip for you, Bob.
> > 
> > Has anyone explored what Johnson Valley has to offer
> > besides the
> > Hammers ? I've been out there for MDR dez racing and
> > it looks like
> > there could be some interesting areas. 
> > 
> > --- "CARR, ROBERT  ET1" <CARR@stennis.navy.mil>
> > wrote:
> > > I'll try just about anything.  Since I'm putting
> > the HiLux up on
> > > blocks for
> > > my SAS, I'm wheeling the Heep for the time being. 
> > I'm a bit leery of
> > > anything too difficult, after all it's a Heep (ok,
> > it's because I've
> > > only
> > > made one payment and haven't even got plates yet.)
> >  I'm not too sure
> > > about
> > > Panamint.  Someone told me that you need to be
> > able to winch alot
> > > (I'm
> > > winchless).  I've done the MJT back on the
> > Backwards Jamboree Bash
> > > (Hey we
> > > never did get any t-shirts...), so if we're doing
> > something a bit
> > > more
> > > challenging, I'm still ok.  I'm coming from the
> > border, so hopefully
> > > nothing
> > > too far in distance (i.e. "way north").
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 126 DTG
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yup, know it's closed. Not too long ago there was
> > a BLM meeting for
> > > public input about it's future. I couldn't make it
> > so I've no idea
> > > what
> > > the outcome was.
> > > There is a lot to see and do in Panamint w/o
> > having to run Surprise
> > > Cyn, but it is a bit of a haul for a weekend trip.
> > > 
> > > Big Bear I've been to, but don't have much
> > knowledge of, so TAG,
> > > you're
> > > it ! ;) 
> > > 
> > > For a starter trip I think places like Big Bear,
> > Gorman/Frazier area,
> > > or the El Paso Mtns (Red Rock Cyn area) would all
> > be good choices as
> > > they have mild to difficult trails. Calico could
> > also work as it also
> > > has a rnage of trail difficulties. If there is
> > interest in that area
> > > then I highly recommend we go there. It's about 15
> > minutes east of
> > > Barstow just off I-15.
> > > 
> > > Let's have some input. So far we have:
> > > 
> > > Hungry Valley OHV (Gorman)
> > > 
> > > Gorman/Frazier greater area
> > > 
> > > El Paso Mtns/Last Chance Cyn
> > > 
> > > Big Bear
> > > 
> > > Panamint Valley
> > > 
> > > Calico
> > > 
> > > Who's interested in what ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Steve Keene <stkeene@highstream.net> wrote:
> > > > Speaking of Panamint, you all do know that
> > surprise canyon is
> > > closed
> > > > right?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm somewhat of an authority on big bear.  I can
> > serve as a guide.
> > > As
> > > > 
> > > > soon as I'm sure my truck is trustworthy again
> > that is.  
> > > > 
> > > > By the way, they piled a bunch of rocks at the
> > input side of John
> > > > Bull 
> > > > (3n10).  I've been through there many times
> > without too much
> > > trouble
> > > > but 
> > > > last time needed spotters and rock stacking to
> > get over and around
> > > > the 
> > > > new boulders. Took us like 2 hours to get 5
> > vehicles over the
> > > > beginning 
> > > > of it.
> > > > 
> > > > The hill in the middle of the crab flats trail
> > seems to get scarier
> > > > with 
> > > > each season.  More top soil washes away exposing
> > more rocks.  And
> > > > hey, 
> > > > what's more fun than picking your way thought
> > jagged rocks that
> > > > picking 
> > > > your way though jagged rocks on a steep hill
> > huh???
> > > > 
> > > > Steve Keene - Anaheim, Ca
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Mike Carter wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >Boy, I feel special! Thom, I have a few friends
> > who
> > > > >aren't on this list who would most likely join
> > us. 
> > > > >
> > > > >I would love to do some more exploring in
> > Panamint.
> > > > >I'd like to check out Last Chance Canyon as
> > well. 
> > > > >
> > > > >Calico is always fun, but I go out there
> > several times
> > > > >a year as it is.
> > > > >
> > > > >So, let's plan a trip! 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Thom Singer <ntsqd@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Last time I suggested a list trip Mike Carter
> > was
> > > > >>the only one to
> > > > >>respond. Pretty pathetic, so I'm trying it one
> > last
> > > > >>time. An EB list
> > > > >>I'm on (& I no longer own one) generated 11
> > trucks
> > > > >>on a trip led by a
> > > > >>guy driving a Yota & they had 14 for a Hundry
> > Valley
> > > > >>OHV run last
> > > > >>weekend.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>So, Who's interested in a trip and where to ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I can offer to lead at these places:
> > > > >>Panamint Valley
> > > > >>Calico Area
> > > > >>El Pasos/Last Chance Canyon
> > > > >>
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> > stupid."
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Thougth about a soft top?

-K White


>
Now I am trying to figure out some way to leave it off until
>winter and get away with it ;-)
>
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Greetings!


I recently bought an 86 4runner ( owned an 85 previously) I THOUGHT I got
the truck for an amazing price just needed a headgasket and timing
chain/guides but after fixing all that and getting it running pretty well
the turbo went out. Now it sounds very bad and I can hear it rattling
around in the case. Basically, I am wondering what my options are at this
point. There is no way I can afford (orr want to) pay $1200+ for a new
turbo. Can I get a rebuild kit or something? What do others do in this
situation? The truck only has 125,000 miles on it and the body is in pretty
good shape.

Thanks


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There are several turbo rebuilders out there, Turbo City comes to mind.  Do
a search and make some calls, should be about $4-500 max.  :)

> Can I get a rebuild kit or something? What do others do in this
> situation?



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Quoting Will Richardson <wkrichar@outtech.com>:

> Greetings!
> 
> 
> I recently bought an 86 4runner ( owned an 85 previously) I THOUGHT I
> got
> the truck for an amazing price just needed a headgasket and timing
> chain/guides but after fixing all that and getting it running pretty
> well the turbo went out. 
> 
{snip}
> Basically, I am wondering what my options are at this point?


Hi Will, 
first decide do you want to keep the Turbo or go with another engine?

Personally I have not worked on turbo vehicles, (wait; take that back),
do Turbo U.S. Military Duce and a half's count?  :-)

Generally, (only from what I've heard), so remember this is "hear-say"
that Toyota Turbo units are very pricey to have repaired or replaced.
You might try locating another Turbo here is a potential source 
online http://www.junkyarddog.com/ and maybe this one too...
- http://www.autoparts.com/

I am getting closer with my 3.0L Toyota v-6 engine swap into my 1984
Toyota 4Runner, however that may not be an option for you. A neighbor's
friend just completed a 289 engine swap into a 1987 Toyota 4wd pick up.
Again, you will need to make a decision either to R&R the Turbo or
consider the engine swap option.

Hey, 
if you are anywhere near North Alabama I will help 'ya turn a few wrenches!
Just remember you do have many options out there and Don't let someone try
talking you into selling your 4Runner for dirt! There are many engine swap 
options out there *if* you decide to go with an engine swap.  :^)
Good Luck,

~ Dee           RCRC #31  TLCA #7039
Huntsville, Alabama

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I seem to recall  that there is an AiResearch upgrade turbo out there.
I bought the turbo for my VW diesel Ribbit truck from company in
Shingle Springs, CA. Talked to Dobie and I was real impressed with his
knowledge of turbos. Wish I could remember the company name. I'd call
Tim @ DOA engines (Link off of All-Pro's page) and talk to him about
it, I seem to recal he knew about the upgrade turbo.

--- Will Richardson <wkrichar@outtech.com> wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> 
> I recently bought an 86 4runner ( owned an 85 previously) I THOUGHT I
> got
> the truck for an amazing price just needed a headgasket and timing
> chain/guides but after fixing all that and getting it running pretty
> well
> the turbo went out. Now it sounds very bad and I can hear it rattling
> around in the case. Basically, I am wondering what my options are at
> this
> point. There is no way I can afford (orr want to) pay $1200+ for a
> new
> turbo. Can I get a rebuild kit or something? What do others do in
> this
> situation? The truck only has 125,000 miles on it and the body is in
> pretty
> good shape.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/


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Oh yea, outright the VW's turbo ran me $600 with a pyrometer and a tach
included.
I would get a pyrometer for any turbo'd engine. Hot shut downs are
usually what kills a turbo. HKS used to make a 'turbo timer', it would
let the engine idle for a set period of time after the key was turned
off. This allowed the turbo to cool down with continued oil pressure.

--- Will Richardson <wkrichar@outtech.com> wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> 
> I recently bought an 86 4runner ( owned an 85 previously) I THOUGHT I
> got
> the truck for an amazing price just needed a headgasket and timing
> chain/guides but after fixing all that and getting it running pretty
> well
> the turbo went out. Now it sounds very bad and I can hear it rattling
> around in the case. Basically, I am wondering what my options are at
> this
> point. There is no way I can afford (orr want to) pay $1200+ for a
> new
> turbo. Can I get a rebuild kit or something? What do others do in
> this
> situation? The truck only has 125,000 miles on it and the body is in
> pretty
> good shape.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/


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TS
Ventura, CA

"Teach you all I know and you're still stupid."
-- Howdy Lee

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