Re: TOY: Re: Pulling someone out in reverse

[John Stowers <jstowers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>Easy, friend did this last month, broke his front R&P you can also break
>front birfields or 86^ CV's

Thanks, I was kind of expecting it to be the R&P but not necessarily the 
front. Seems logical though with the weight and traction transfer.

Was he doing a steady pull or more of a snatch with the juice on? Though 
still plan on avoiding it like the plague, still trying to determine 
approximately how much it might take to break something. I have done some 
pretty hard snatch's, including with chain (yes I know that is not a good 
idea and I do have a strap), in forward and been lucky enough not to break 
things. Thanks for any other comment or input.

John


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Subject: TOY: Re: Re: Pulling someone out in reverse
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I broke a birfield pulling out a (what else??? ha, ha ) Jeep in reverse...

S.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "darren" <dps444@shocking.com>

> ...you can also break front birfields or 86^ CV's
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Stowers" <jstowers@austin.rr.com>
> 
> > What are the dangers to the drivetrain pulling someone out in reverse? 



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Subject: TOY: RE: Re: Re: Pulling someone out in reverse
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Is it who I think it is?

-----Original Message-----
I broke a birfield pulling out a (what else??? ha, ha ) Jeep in reverse...

S.

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Subject: Re: TOY: Re: Pulling someone out in reverse
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he was winching him out, though it was to slow, said he started pulling him
in reverse and "BANG"............

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stowers" <jstowers@austin.rr.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: TOY: Re: Pulling someone out in reverse


>
> >Easy, friend did this last month, broke his front R&P you can also break
> >front birfields or 86^ CV's
>
> Thanks, I was kind of expecting it to be the R&P but not necessarily the
> front. Seems logical though with the weight and traction transfer.
>
> Was he doing a steady pull or more of a snatch with the juice on? Though
> still plan on avoiding it like the plague, still trying to determine
> approximately how much it might take to break something. I have done some
> pretty hard snatch's, including with chain (yes I know that is not a good
> idea and I do have a strap), in forward and been lucky enough not to break
> things. Thanks for any other comment or input.
>
> John
>
> 4x4Wire.com Toyota Section http://www.4x4Wire.com/toyota/


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No, not THAT black Jeep...   : )


S.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "CARR, ROBERT ET1" <CARR@stennis.navy.mil>

> Is it who I think it is?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I broke a birfield pulling out a (what else??? ha, ha ) Jeep in reverse...
>
> S.



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>he was winching him out, though it was to slow, said he started pulling him
>in reverse and "BANG"............

Thanks for the reply's. I will avoid this unless life is at risk.

Now a question about winching (I don't have one yet). I would guess that 
when winching someone else out, it would be best to secure you vehicle with 
the brakes rather than the drivetrain?, but this would require and extra 
foot in the cab. Better still would be to a fixed object. Next best would 
be pulling with a front mounted winch and the truck in 1st gear / 4 low 
(bad for battery because engine would have to be off)? Rear mounted winch 
would be bad in this situation because you would be putting the same stress 
on the drivetrain as pulling in reverse?

I am thinking about a reasonably light / not to expensive winch mounted so 
I can slip it into a receiver hitch and probably 6 gauge wire and jumper 
cable clips to attach to the battery. Looking for something that is not 
permanent and portable. Any thoughts or suggestions?

I am new to the list so hope this is not something that has been discussed 
to death recently.

Thanks, John