TOY: Re: Re: optima yellow top change???

["Kevin Read" <seajeeper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Here's the reply I got a few months ago...

> Hello.
>
> Just so you know, ratings are a marketing tool. They are designed to tell
> people that the
> battery can produce a certain amount of power at a certain time. It
> doesn't mean for long periods of time or even 100% of the time but at some
> point it does. Our ratings are exceeding the minimum ratings labeled 100%
> of the time. You will notice batteries that have QS9001 labels on them. As
> batteries are not regulated, you can pretty much put whatever ratings you
> want on the battery.
>
> The good ones have the QS labels, which is what we are striving for. The
> previous ratings we were hitting but not at the QS levels required for
> longevity and 100% of the time. This whole deal is good for our products,
> shows we are the real deal vs. others. Your battery won't fail you don't
> worry....
>
>
> Thank you for your support of Optima Batteries.
> David "Willy" Willman
> Government/Military Sales
> Customer Relations Coordinator
> 303 340-7486 direct phone
> 800 292-4359 x 486 toll free
> 303 344-9905 fax
> 720 299-1797 mobile phone
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Read, Kevin E [ mailto:Kevin.Read@PSS.Boeing.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:57 PM
> To: David Willman
> Subject: RE: Optima Yellow Top
>
>
> Please clarify a little more.
> Do you mean your Yellow Top wouldn't be able to pass QC testing as a 750
> CCA battery?
>
> > ----------
> > From:         David Willman[SMTP:dwillman@optimabatteries.com]
> > Sent:         Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:57 PM
> > To:   'Read, Kevin E'
> > Subject:      RE: Optima Yellow Top
> > Importance:   High
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello.
> > We changed the ratings on 4-1-01 for Quality Certification
> Testing....all battery manufacturer's go through it, its now our turn,
> they are scheduled to go back to the original ratings by October. Same
> battery. It will give you plenty of winching power.....
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your support of Optima Batteries.
> > David "Willy" Willman
> > Government/Military Sales
> > Customer Relations Coordinator
> > 303 340-7486 direct phone
> > 800 292-4359 x 486 toll free
> > 303 344-9905 fax
> > 720 299-1797 mobile phone
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Read, Kevin E [ mailto:Kevin.Read@PSS.Boeing.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:01 PM
> > To: Sales_Marketing Web Site Mail
> > Subject: Optima Yellow Top
> >
> >
> > I recently purchased a Yellow Top for my Jeep.  I noticed that the
> rating on it was 550 CCA and 120 min RC.
> >
> > In the past I have seen Yellow Tops with a 750 CCA rating.  Was this a
> different model or have you revised the Yellow Top's rating?  I notice on
> your web site you only show the 550 CCA version of the Yellow Top.  I was
> under the impression that you only make one size of Yellow Top so thought
> I was getting the 750 CCA version, and was surprised when it was labeled
> 550 CCA.
>
> >
> > What's going on?  I am using it for winching duty in my Jeep and wanted
> the best available battery.  Did I get the wrong one?
>
> >
> > Kevin Read, P.E.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Knight" <knight@atmos.albany.edu>
To: <toyota@4x4wire.com>
Cc: "David Knight" <knight@atmos.albany.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: TOY: Re: optima yellow top change???


> "Kevin Read" <seajeeper@lightmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I bought mine a couple months ago I noticed the same thing.  I
e-mailed
> > Optima and got a response back which basically said they relabeled it to
> > comply with certification requirements, but it was the exact same
battery
> > that they had been selling as a 750AH.  Sounded kinda like they were
going
> > to get it certified and then change the label again to 750, but the
> > correspondence is at work and so I don't have their exact wording.  If I
> > remember I'll get it tomorrow and send out to the list.
> >
> > I ended up buying it anyway because as long as the battery is the same,
the
> > reputation it has earned is intact.  It did make me wonder about the
exact
> > specs and how they label and certify them.  Sounded a little fishy if
you
> > know what I mean.....
>
> I emailed them as well. here is what I got...
>
> The design of our batteries haven't changed, the ratings for the Yellow
> Top are:
> CCA       650
> CA   870
> RC   120
> Optima has changed ownership, and thus the different ratings.
> Thank you for your continued support and interest in Optima Batteries, a
> Johnson Controls company.
>
> Hmm, now we have the old bats labeled 750cca, the new ones labeles 550cca,
> and optima telling us the rating is really 650 cca. Oh well, no matter
> what they are rated they still have plenty of amps to turn over my
> motor. I'm guessing they were over rated before, now they are being
> under rated to pass "certification" and the truth probably lies
> someplace in between... Annoying though, and I agree, a little fishy.
>
> >
> > - ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Knight" <knight@atmos.albany.edu>
> > To: <toyota@4x4wire.com>; <Offroad@offroadlist.com>
> > Cc: "David Knight" <knight@atmos.albany.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 6:00 AM
> > Subject: TOY: optima yellow top change???
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >     Two years ago I purchased an Optima yellow top
> > > battery. Model D750U, part#8014-021, 65 AH 750 CCA.
> > > I liked it so much I just recently purchased another
> > > Optima yellow top (thinking it was the same battery).
> > > This new yellow top is part#D34/78-950, model#8014-045,
> > > but has only 55AH and 550 CCA. It looks like the
> > > same battery, but the capacities are notably smaller.
> > >
> > > Anybody know what is going on here?
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > >
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