Re: JPOR: RE: junkyard full-floater

["Paul W." <a4xnut@xxxxxxxxx>]

RICH SCHAEFER <RSCHAEFER@GoodKindInc.com> wrote:
> Paul, for some reaason, I just knew this thread would be right up your alley
> :-)
> so here's a question for oyu since you have the warn ff kit, does the warn
> rear bracket attach the same way a front bracket does; over the spindle bolt
> holes? can I just sub. the  warn bracket for the factory item, or is the
> offset different?

I still haven't put mine together, but asked Warn if it's supposed to go on
over the spindle - or if it's supposed to go on the backside of the flange.  It
looks like it should go on in the same matter as a front - because to put in on
behind the flange, it would have to be cut.  Warn's reply to me was "either way
- depending on your caliper & rotor set-up"

> I'm operating under the assumption that the warn kit is basically a custom
> drilled spindle that uses a re-packaged f-150 hub, in which case I could do
> this. does this sound right?

Sorta.  The Warn spindles I have are standard CJ disc brake front spndles (also
same as a Scout D30 drum brake spindle FYI, FWIW), with two extra holes drilled
in them so they will fit either the 71-back 6-bolt CJ D44, or the 72-75 evenly
spaced 6-bolt CJ pattern (same as the front).  Their hub has a shorter snout
than the F-150 hub does and is the same hub used for their front internal hub
conversion... but if you wanted to build your own floater kit, yes, you could
use the F-150 hub with the FSJ/GM or even Ford spindle.  You could even run 30
splined shafts out at the hub end like a Warn kit and just buy a pair of their
30 spline drive gears (or even rear lockouts) - since their wheel hubs have the
same splining as the 1/2T stuff.
 
> Some D44 rears already have the same 6-bolt pattern as the fronts, and some
> have a 6-bolt pattern where 4 of the six bolts line up and you can either
> weld a tab on the top of the flange to line up the other two, or do like Warn
> does in their floater kits and drill two new holes in the spindle.
> 
> would you know which rears use this pattern?
> there's an OLD fsj in the yard that definetly pre-dates '76.

Not sure on the FSJ's because I haven't rummaged around with a lot of them. 
But as noted above, the 71-back CJ has the "4 out of 6 line up" style and the
72-75 CJ has the same 6 bolt pattern.  Just make yourself a paper template of
the pattern off of a D30 or D44 spindle and match it up to the axle (or
vice-versa - whatever is easier for you).  :)

> I'm going to assume this waggy is gonna have a d44 in the back, but will it
> be the 17(?)spline early d44?

Older D44's come in 10, 19 & 27 spline... but I haven't heard of any of those
spline counta being used after mid-1970 models - and 10 splines are really old
- early flatfender stuff.  All the Wags have D44's up thru '79 models and
late-'86 on.  Anything late '70-up will be 30 spline and thru '73 will be
centered.

> Hmmm... I don't recall seeing that warning in my kits... but it might
> explain why the second one I got has allen bolt locks in the dial... but
> Warn told me that was to keep your friends from playing tricks on you and
> unlocking the hubs since the rears are a bit of a PIA to re-lock if unlocked
> under load.
> 
> I talked to a warn rep about this at the last rock garden event given by
> ok4wd. apparently, the cj m20's all have some slight bend in the tubes and
> the constant occilation works the hub into the "free" position.

Well, that is a different ball game!!  The AMC 20 is well known for bent
housings... that's not a common D44 trait.  Apples and oranges here!!! :)
(You had me worried for a sec. - I feel much better now ;)


Paul


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