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#671276 - 11/28/05 06:47 AM 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions.
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Hi, I was wondering, if I wanted to swap my 3.0 for a 22RE in my 1991 4runner. Will a 22RE bolt to the V6 5spd? Can I just unhook my V6 computer and hook a 22RE computer in the same spot? Can I also just unhook the engine wireing harness from the firewall and put a 22RE harness there? Or do I have to modify the wireing? Thanks for the help!----Tom
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#671277 - 11/28/05 11:44 AM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions.
Rauch_Off_Road Offline
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Same amount of work as a 3.4 swap only you will need either a different tranny or a bellhousing from a turbo truck to hook up to the R series. I wouldn't waste my time I would just do the 3.4 same milage and way better power and very dependable.

At least thats what I'll be doing when my 3.0 finally kicks it.
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#671278 - 11/28/05 11:51 AM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: Rauch_Off_Road]
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These posts keep cropping up. I wonder if it's related to the bird flu?

Probably a hope for better mileage. A fruitless hope IMHO.

The 3.4 swap will solve your problems with power, reliability, and mileage all at once. Unfortunately it will also help your problem of having too much money in your checking account.

If your 3.0 is dead, by all means swap in a 3.4, new wiring harness, new computer, and other bits. If it still runs ok, dance with the one who brung ya.
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#671279 - 11/28/05 01:28 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: Red_Chili]
bkg Offline
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Quote:
These posts keep cropping up. I wonder if it's related to the bird flu?


<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> That's some funny stuff right there.

Bill and others are right - not worth your time AT ALL. And the 22re doesn't like the 5K lb truck either.

What you'd have to change to make the 22re work:
Motor mounts.
Tranny mount.
Bellhousing/clutch assuming it's a manual...
Exhaust.
Complete wiring harness.
Dash gauges.

Figure at least 1K for all of that work, assuming you have all of the parts. Oh, and your mileage won't increase.
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#671280 - 11/28/05 02:34 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: bkg]
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Loc: Littleton, CO
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Figure at least 1K for all of that work, assuming you have all of the parts. Oh, and your mileage won't increase.

Your power won't either... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />

Wow. Gee, if you lived close could I get you to do that level of work for only 1K??? Wutta deal.

You don't need to change the gauges. You can make a V6/I4 tach work either way side by each together.

I learned that phrase from a fella from Valparaiso...
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#671281 - 11/28/05 02:58 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: Red_Chili]
ToyotaChris Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 284
Loc: CA, USA
dont do it....swap for the 4 litre and post the pics so we can see how it comes out.
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#671282 - 11/28/05 04:08 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: bkg]
Anonymous
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Well, I really like the 22R. So I have to change the whole wireing harness? Or just the underhood engine harness, and the computer?Also, The tranny will work? I just need to change the bellhousing?Thanks----Tom
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#671283 - 11/28/05 07:50 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions.
Snowtoy Offline
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As Chili Man mentioned if the 3.0 is still good and just in need of rebuilding, rebuild it. Otherwise if you have the $3500-5k for a 4.3 Vortec or the 3.4 Toyota swap, the money will be better spent this way. Dropping down to the 22re, even a rebuilt performance 22re you will be going down the scale power wise. If you are set on the 22re for its simplicity, it would save a you a lot of headaches and work to just buy a 22re equiped Runner. I have both engines in my two X-cab's a '90 and '91. The 3.0 in the my heavy <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> mod'd '90 has much more power/torque than the 22re in the stock '91 which weighs over a 1000 lbs less.
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#671284 - 11/28/05 08:11 PM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: Snowtoy]
Rauch_Off_Road Offline
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Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 2311
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Yea I don't think its worth the effort. The only thing that the 2.4 offers is like was said a simpler to work on. If your gonna put this in a runner then you are gonna be dissapointed. I've had a 2.4 1st gen runner and now a 3.0 truck and I gotta say that the 3.0 is way better as far as performance goes. If you really want a 4cyl thats worth your while then get a 2.7 you'll get the performance, simplicity and milage and the donner shouldn't be too expensive either.

Much as I hate the maintenence of the 3.0, I gotta say I like the power bump when I need to get goin.
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(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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#671285 - 11/29/05 05:43 AM Re: 3.0 to 22RE Swap questions. [Re: Rauch_Off_Road]
Anonymous
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Well, mainly what I wanted was the fuel economy of the 22RE. I know a lot of people say that it won't get any better MPG than the 3.0.And this may be true, if you drive them in mainly flat country.But I live where there are two directions,UP and DOWN(I climb 1200' on the way home from work every day). And my old 4 runner with a 22RE got 18-19 mpg back and forth to work with 31"11.50's.My buddys 4runner with 22RE got 19-20mpg with 32's.And several of my friends drive 3.0 pickups with stock tires and get 15mpg in the same terrain with stock tires.I'm sure on a mainly flat freeway they would get as good as the 22RE. But not around here( I'm sure there are ecceptions to this rule).The 4runner I have now I just bought Yesterday. It has a good running 3.0 But the clutch is shot. The only reason I bought it was because I got it real cheap and it is ultra clean with new wheels and tires. Otherwise I would have just bought one with a 22RE.It is nice enough that I may just swap a 22RE into it instead of fixing the clutch and selling it to buy a 22RE 4runner which may not be as nice.Anyhow, Thanks for the help----Tom
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