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Well I've been thinking more and more about this motor swap.... My orignal plan was to swap in a Taco 2.7L 3RZFE motor since its basically a bolt-in. I'm just not sure if a 3RZ-FE will be enough for me! I would hate to go through all this work and still not be satisfied with the highway performance of the 4runner.
I know I want more HP. Torque numbers are not that important since I've got tons of gears (Dual Ultimate T-case) but it would be nice if the motor has a flat torque curve which means a wider power band. I also want to retain my W56 tranny and don't want the expensive of replacing that to say a R series tranny. And toy T-cases since I have lots of money in mine. I also don't want to buy an expensive adapter since most AA adapters I see to adapt to the toy tranny run about $400-$500 and to adapt a R-series tranny to a toy t-case is about $350 from Marlin! I also want something with equal or better gas mileage. 12-14 MPG Highway and 10-12 MPG City and even lower on the trail is really starting to suck with the rising costs of crude oil....
So with all those items basically that only leaves me with toyota motors which make for an easy swap with the correct FACTORY bell-housing. Also its pretty cool to keep it all Toyota.
Toyota Motors
20R, 2.2L, 90 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 122 [Email]Ft-Lbs@2400[/Email]
22R, 2.4L, 96 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 129 [Email]Ft-Lbs@2800[/Email]
22RE, 2.4L, 112 [Email]HP@4600[/Email], 142 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/Email]
22RTE, 2.4L, 135 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 173 [Email]Ft-Lbs@2800[/Email], 6psi
20R/22R Hybrid, Estimated 135-155 HP depending on build
2RZFE, 2.4L, 142 [Email]HP@5000[/Email], 160 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/Email]
3RZFE, 2.7L, 150 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 177 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/Email]
3VZ-E, 3.0L, 150 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 180 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/Email]
5VZ-FE,3.4L, 190 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 220 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/Email]
5M-GE, 2.7L, 143 [Email]HP@5200[/Email], 154 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4400[/Email]
7M-GE, 3.0L, 199 [Email]HP@6000[/Email], 188 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/Email]
7M-GTE,3.0L, 232 [Email]HP@5600[/Email], 254 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3200[/Email], 5psi
So to narrow this list down first I will start with HP. the 22re stock puts out 112 HP. and I thought I rebuilt mine to the 140hp level but now I'm thinking maybe it was only around 125-130 hp level. Which for me is NOT enough.
* So that eliminates the 20R, 22R, 20/22RE hybrid
I also decided that I don't want a turbo. Just too much maintance and the possiblity of damage and expense to replace so that leaves me with these motors. Plus the fact of cool down time and I can't sem to leave anything stock which means I will never stop tweaking with it to make even more power which eventually just leads to carange on the trail. And I hate fixing stuff on the trail.
* So that eliminates the 22RTE, 7M-GTE
Then theres the ones I can't adapt to my W56 tranny easily.
* Those eliminate the 3VZ-E, 5VZ-FE
So heres whats left of the list, I left the 22RE for reference HP and Torque numbers.
22RE, 2.4L, 112 [Email]HP@4600[/Email], 142 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/Email]
2RZFE, 2.4L, 142 [Email]HP@5000[/Email], 160 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/Email]
3RZFE, 2.7L, 150 [Email]HP@4800[/Email], 177 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/Email]
5M-GE, 2.7L, 143 [Email]HP@5200[/Email], 154 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4400[/Email]
7M-GE, 3.0L, 199 [Email]HP@6000[/Email], 188 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/Email]
I just don't think the 3RZFE (34% more HP, 25% more Torque) is worth the trouble. And the 5M-GE has even less HP and Torque. So that basically leaves me with the 7M-GE. This motor would be an increase of 77% more HP and 32% more Torque. Should be more than enough for what I want/need. I also heard that most of these motors in the wrecking yards do have low mileage because people typically don't daily drive these vehicles and they wreck the cars them pretty quickly. Well after looking into a bit more, Yes, typically these motors do have lower mileage, but they are still hard to find because there is high demand for them. So when it comes to finding a motor, Its still down to luck.... unless you buy it from an importer like JDM. And then I've heard that the completeness of the motor can be a problem.
There is also the newer Supra motors JZ motor series which might be adaptable to the W56. Some poeple say its possible and others say its not.... but I know thats more horsepower than I want! Plus the cost of these motors are really pretty high.
1JZ-GE, 3.0L, 200 [Email]HP@6000[/Email], 185 [Email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/Email]
2JZ-GE, 3.0L, 225 [Email]HP@6000[/Email], 220 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/Email]
2JZ-GTTE, 3.0L, 320 [Email]HP@6000[/Email], 315 [Email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/Email]
So after a bit of searching I did find that it looks like you don't have to cut out the hood latch in the core support to make this motor/radaitor fit, which I was let to believe that you had to do that to make this motor fit. So offically the 7M-GE is what I'm going to go with! Another benefit is on www.SupraCharged.com they have a wiring diagram and it looks pretty simple Plus Sky just got done installing his 7W-GE and hes just up the road from me! I've also now have had a chance to drive a Toyota with 36" Iroks's, 5.71 gears and a 7M-GE and really like what I felt!
So after a few phone calls and some trips to the wrecking yards I think I have found my Engine! Basically I just got VERY lucky on this...... one of my local yards just got a 89 Cressida in with 102,000 miles and it hasn't been processed. I'm going to go look at it at Lunch today and probably pay for the motor and everything else on my swap list! Below is my swap list that sI've accumulated thus far:
7M-GE (non-turbo) Parts List for installation into a 85 4Runner with a W56 Tranny
Used Parts
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* 7M-GE engine from a 89-92 Cressida or 87-93 Supra (prefer non-cali model) ~100K with good compression
* uncut motor harness for above car with ECU, coil/igniter, injector resistor, AFM, (hvac sensor?)
* Exhaust (exhaust manifold, 02 Sensor, Cat, Muffler?)
* (If motor is from a Cressida, then I will need to get an oil pan, pickup, dip stick from a Supra)
* 5M-GE upper motor mount brackets from an 81-88 Cressida or 81-87 Supra
* 5M/7M bellhousing, flywheel, clutch fork, slave cylinder from a '83-'92 non-turbo 5 speed supra
* Ford Taurus 3.8L 2 speed electric fan (also Mercury Sable) approx 16-18" diameter
New Parts
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* New Clutch Assembly (centerforce?)
* New Timing Belt
* New Hoses (Radiator & Vacumm)
* New Cap/Rotor/Plugs
* New Exhaust
* New Power Steering Lines (maybe)
* New Air filter (K&N filter charger)
* New Fluids
Existing Parts
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* Rework radiator inlet and outlet
* Reuse existing 22RE motor mounts
* Reuse W56 Tranny and Dual Ultimate T-Cases
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*...4RnrRick's list of actual motor swap costs...*
*.........Prices Include Shipping Costs..........*
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*.Descrpition..............................Price.*
*------------------------------------------------*
*7M-GE engine 89 Cressida 153K w/ 90 day warranty*
*from local wrecking yard. Motor harness w/ ECU,.*
*coil/igniter, injector resistor, AFM, Exhaust ..*
*manifold, 02 Sensors, Oil pan, pickup, dip stick*
*Supra 7M 5MGE upper motor mount brackets, 5M/7M.*
*bellhousing, flywheel, clutch fork, slave cyl...*
*starter, and every else typically supplied with.*
*a motor swap............................$950.00.*
*................................................*
*Motor credit for Bad Head Gasket.......($115.00)*
*................................................*
*Radiator, new 1988 V6 3-core, 2" thick..$115.00.*
*14" Electric Fan, Hayden #3710..........$139.99.*
*185F Thermostat Relay, Hayden #3652......$22.99.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8761.................$17.92.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8698.................$11.73.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 7775.................$12.16.*
*Radiator hose clamps......................$6.33.*
*Material for splicing Radiator hose.......$4.99.*
*................................................*
*OEM Replacement Clutch Kit..............$150.00.*
*Resurface flywheel and exhaust manifold..$70.00.*
*Clutch Slave, 'Napa' #37606..............$30.90.*
*................................................*
*Head Gasket, FelPro #9473PT.............$102.73.*
*Valve Cover Gasket Set, #ESP VS50303R....$21.14.*
*Front Crank & Timing Gskt Set, #TCS45732.$24.28.*
*Rear Main Seal, Knecht's #ESP 228010.....$16.35.*
*Exhaust Gasket, Knecht's #ESP MS92327....$12.46.*
*Intake Gasket Set, Knecht's #ESP S93544..$11.72.*
*Cam Shaft Seal Set , #ESP45424...........$11.03.*
*Oil Pan Gasket, Knecht's #OS 3435........$10.58.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Exhaust Downpipe Donuts, Napa F-14592.....$6.28.*
*2 1/4" Exhaust connector for collector....$3.07.*
*Professional Exhaust with muffler.......$300.00.*
*................................................*
*Spark Plug Wires, Knecht's #ESP 09216....$63.88.*
*Distibutor Cap, Knecht's #KEM W3082......$10.79.*
*Spark Plugs, Knecht's #NGK 2241 Qty(6)....$9.54.*
*Rotor, Knecht's #ESP JR120T...............$5.08.*
*................................................*
*Timing Belt, Knecht's #CLO B126..........$18.48.*
*Alternator Belt, Knecht's #GDY 510K5.....$12.59.*
*Power Steering Belt, Knecht's #GDY 350K4..$7.20.*
*................................................*
*1989 Supra 7M-GE oil pump, new (ebay)....$85.25.*
*1989 Supra oil pump hardline.............$39.61.*
*1989 Supra oil pump ball sleeve & gasket..$6.11.*
*Fram Sure Oil Drain Plug, 18mm x 1.5.....$15.69.*
*................................................*
*Antifreeze................................$9.99.*
*10W-30 oil...............................$10.20.*
*Dot 3 brake/clucth fluid..................$3.40.*
*Power Steering Fluid......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Used 210 York from Volvo (V-Belt)........$30.00.*
*New 6 gr pulley&clutch, Kenworth KA1480..$69.95.*
*................................................*
*Red Top Optima Battery...................$93.00.*
*Battery tray & hold downs................$11.98.*
*Battery marine terminals..................$1.98.*
*Battery isolator, 95 amp.................$39.99.*
*6 Amp Circuit Breaker.....................$4.77.*
*(6) Fuse holder, 'Accele' #5415..........$14.95.*
*Battery Wire Lugs.........................$1.98.*
*Wire loom, black split - 3 sizes.........$15.96.*
*Micro Potentiometer 4.7K, RS #271-0281....$1.19.*
*Label Maker..............................$24.96.*
*................................................*
*Vacuum Hose...............................$1.50.*
*Fuel line and hose clamps.................$9.94.*
*Power Steering Hose......................$17.52.*
*................................................*
*Engine Paint, Semi Gloss Black............$4.60.*
*AntiSeize.................................$4.59.*
*Ultra Black RTV, Permitex.................$3.99.*
*Blue Shop Towels, (3 rolls)...............$6.00.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Metric Hardware..........................$23.56.*
*Misc Steel from metal recycler...........$17.15.*
*Chain for motor mounts, 5/16".............$3.50.*
*................................................*
*Engine Repair Manual CD 7MGE/7MGTE, ebay.$18.12.*
*Chiltons Repair Manual for 1989 Cressida.$17.95.*
*Borrowed 1989 Supra Electrical FSM on CD..FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Supra Electrical FSM........FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Cressida Electrical FSM.....FREE..*
*................................................*
*Borrowed Engine Stand and Hoist...........FREE..*
*................................................*
*................................................*
*................................................*
*................................................*
*Sold, Thorley Header with O2 Sensor....($125.00)*
*Sold, Short Block W/ Timing set & pan..($150.00)*
*Sold, Head, DOA 270 Cam, LCE Adjust timing gear.*
*& LCE Red Powder coat valve cover......($150.00)*
*................................................*
*Pending, EFI Conversion Parts..........($225.00)*
*................................................*
*------------------------------------------------*
*Total Dollars Spent as of 7-8-2005......$2032.56*
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Edited by kewlynx (12/03/05 01:35 AM)
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