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The 3.0 build-up thread.
      01/26/06 05:43 PM

Well after much consideration I've decided to try and build the 3.0 for more power. I thought about a 3.4 swap and even a 3vzfe swap but the time and money involved was more then I was willing to invest. I've talked to a lot of folks about this and most of them seem to think I'm crazy, likely they are right. So don't bother with the "why waste you time"s and the "why not swap any other engine on the planet"s cause I've commited to this and I'm gonna see how it goes.

There is a lot of good info out there on these engines, the trick is finding it. I've come accross everything from DOA to turbo/SC 3.0s and even a lot of blown HG 3.0s. Some interesting things have come up though and I plan on trying pretty much all of them. There unfortunately nobody that offers a complete package other then DOA and thats unfortunate cause there are a lot of these things in runners and trucks flyin around.

My goal is to hit 200-220 hp under the stock redline of about 6k. I think I can do it for under $3000 and only time will tell I guess. IF in the end all I get is 200 then I'll be happy. I plan on doing almost everything one step at a time and taking it to the dyno each time I add something to get the "real world" numbers for each addition. Thankfully I have a deal with a local shop with a dyno, so it won't cost me an arm and a leg to get it all done.

There are some fairly obvious flaws in the 3.0 that make people shy away from them such as: Poor HGs, Burnt #5&6 exhaust valves and generally hot exhaust temps. I hope to fix all of these in my build and will try to show some numbers for that as well.

Here is my laundry list of mods/parts in relatively the order I plan on doing them:

Phase 1: Fresh rebuilt mill with performance heads. Gonna use EB's valves and have a good P&P done, I'm pretty confident that these will not dissapoint as even the most staunch anto 3.0 guys have said they work out well.

Phase 2: Freeflowing exhaust. I'm gonna leave the stock manifolds on for now and have a custom 2.25-2.5 progressive setup with a 2.25 Y fabricated. I'm really testing the theory of how effective headers really are compaired to just a crossover elimination. Depending on how this goes I may install headers at then end of my build. I wanna see another 30-35HP at this point.

Phase 3: Cams, there has been a lot of contension as to the effectiveness of cams on the 3.0. I'm gonna be a tester for sea2sky tuning so I wont have to invest in them if they don't work out. They are claiming 20-30hp with these cams so if they work out then I should be at my goal already, if not then soldier onward (as if I'd stop there anyway ).

Phase 4: Intake. I might be chasing a chicken here but it seems to me that the plenum is fairly restrictive and unbalbnces. Meaning that cyl 1&6 are a little starved for air, so I'm gonna port it and build a bigger air chamber for it to see what that does. I'm hoping for better throttle response, a smoother powerband and hopefully a little better milage.

Phase 5: Ignition. I'm gonna try and modify the stock for longer dwell, if this doesn't work out then I'll likely get the jacobs unit.

Phase 6: Tuning. Likely I'll use a SMT7 piggyback unit. We'll see how it works out. I wanna get the ignition advance and air fuel map all done up to see what I have.

Kinda long list I know. I hope to have it all done in the next year with phase 1 being done by the end of Feb. Sometime during all this I'll have to find the time to install the locker, LSD and gears I have sitting here.

So far I got the core all torn appart and at the machine shop, EB's valves came in the mail today . So the heads should be done soon.

Only thing I came accross that I'd say you should all look out for is the cam sproket bolts. These are killer to get out so expect some serious work there. Or you can be lazy like me and take them to the machine shop with the heads and have them do the dirty work.

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(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)

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* The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road 01/26/06 05:43 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. runner95   03/08/07 11:34 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   03/09/07 07:43 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. runner95   03/13/07 03:47 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/07/07 09:55 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   07/29/07 11:30 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   07/30/07 02:35 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   07/30/07 07:26 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/26/06 06:23 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   05/26/06 07:23 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   05/26/06 10:33 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/27/06 11:04 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   05/27/06 08:52 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/29/06 10:32 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   05/29/06 10:34 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/30/06 06:11 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   06/04/06 09:45 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/09/06 07:38 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. irish_ROCKS   10/09/06 08:04 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/09/06 11:10 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. IceBlueT   10/11/06 01:14 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. DirtyHarry   10/11/06 11:53 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. IceBlueT   10/11/06 06:38 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. DirtyHarry   10/11/06 07:03 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Ganoid   10/11/06 05:42 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. DirtyHarry   10/11/06 06:16 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Ganoid   10/11/06 07:15 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   10/11/06 07:58 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. dcg9381   10/23/06 04:16 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 08:26 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 01:16 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Toy4x   10/23/06 08:36 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 08:49 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Toy4x   10/23/06 09:06 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 09:35 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Toy4x   10/24/06 12:14 AM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler parts Toy4x   10/26/06 10:23 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/24/06 12:38 AM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/24/06 05:30 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler kewlynxModerator   10/25/06 01:45 AM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/25/06 10:48 AM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Snowtoy   10/26/06 08:28 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Greg_Canada   10/24/06 05:50 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 09:49 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Anonymous   10/23/06 11:09 PM
. * * Re: 3.0 oil cooler Rauch_Off_Road   10/23/06 11:30 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   10/23/06 03:45 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. bkg   10/11/06 11:21 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/11/06 11:49 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   05/27/06 11:37 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. dogtoy   04/15/06 01:16 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 04:31 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 08:43 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 03:55 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 04:10 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 04:18 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TimsToyo   01/27/06 01:24 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/27/06 01:48 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Toy4x   01/27/06 08:01 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 03:36 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. averkam   04/14/06 07:47 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   04/16/06 12:47 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   04/16/06 01:04 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   04/16/06 02:18 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   04/16/06 03:45 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   04/14/06 05:31 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. ToyoLoyal   04/15/06 12:23 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   04/15/06 01:16 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. ToyoLoyal   04/14/06 12:10 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   04/14/06 12:30 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Toy4x   01/29/06 07:01 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 03:41 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/29/06 11:31 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 11:40 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/30/06 09:38 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/30/06 09:04 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/01/06 12:22 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Snowtoy   02/01/06 07:08 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/01/06 10:28 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/02/06 12:02 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/02/06 12:46 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/02/06 12:58 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   05/26/06 11:01 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   05/27/06 01:00 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   05/26/06 11:12 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   05/26/06 11:29 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. stock87   05/27/06 01:09 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   05/27/06 08:31 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/02/06 01:24 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/02/06 10:14 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Kutter   10/25/06 01:31 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Snowtoy   10/26/06 08:17 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Kutter   10/27/06 11:41 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/27/06 12:57 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   11/09/06 11:21 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/02/06 10:56 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/02/06 11:19 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/03/06 12:49 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/03/06 05:00 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/03/06 10:01 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/03/06 10:31 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/03/06 11:05 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/03/06 11:52 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/04/06 12:32 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/05/06 03:58 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/05/06 05:03 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/05/06 05:37 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/05/06 11:53 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/06/06 12:13 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/06/06 11:03 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/06/06 06:58 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/06/06 11:39 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/07/06 05:58 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/08/06 01:10 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   02/08/06 02:24 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/08/06 05:02 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. hupptoy   02/08/06 11:46 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. 4WD22R   02/09/06 12:42 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   02/09/06 01:36 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/18/06 11:46 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/18/06 04:00 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/18/06 09:50 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   03/27/06 06:10 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   04/05/06 09:29 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   04/06/06 01:14 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   04/06/06 10:54 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. bkg   04/06/06 11:12 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/26/06 11:01 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. engnbldr   10/27/06 11:03 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. stock87   10/26/06 12:49 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   10/26/06 02:37 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/26/06 04:00 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. stock87   10/26/06 04:15 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Ganoid   10/26/06 04:39 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. stock87   10/26/06 07:18 PM
. * * Cylinder Head Comparrison Toy4x   10/27/06 02:19 AM
. * * Re: Cylinder Head Comparrison Rauch_Off_Road   10/27/06 10:10 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   10/26/06 06:45 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/03/06 10:17 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   05/03/06 10:56 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   05/12/06 06:54 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/08/06 06:12 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/09/06 12:05 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   02/09/06 12:27 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/09/06 01:11 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rusty Davis   02/07/06 11:06 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/07/06 11:40 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   02/03/06 12:14 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/03/06 04:50 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. DirtyHarry   02/03/06 10:46 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   02/03/06 01:47 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   02/02/06 06:38 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/31/06 01:57 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 04:01 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/27/06 09:17 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/27/06 11:23 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/28/06 03:15 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/28/06 11:54 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/29/06 12:21 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/29/06 12:52 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/29/06 01:05 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/29/06 01:33 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 02:43 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/29/06 03:09 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/28/06 11:58 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/29/06 12:34 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/28/06 12:34 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. TRDSR5   01/29/06 03:43 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/28/06 03:24 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/28/06 04:16 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/28/06 08:52 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 03:23 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   01/29/06 03:44 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 04:02 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Greg_Canada   01/29/06 08:22 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/29/06 08:53 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/28/06 06:00 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Toy4x   01/28/06 06:52 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. bkg   01/28/06 01:15 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/27/06 08:21 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Anonymous   01/27/06 02:28 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. CORunner93   01/27/06 01:31 AM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. JackKnife   01/26/06 07:11 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rodgertheshrubber   01/26/06 08:39 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. Rauch_Off_Road   01/26/06 08:45 PM
. * * Re: The 3.0 build-up thread. JackKnife   01/26/06 11:41 PM

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