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Originally posted by mlclark:
Tony-

Please to not get agitated over what I say. None of this is meant to discount your ideas. This is purely a discussion, and my intention was to try and get you (and others) to consider the relevant issues. The crux of the issue will never become clear if non-relevant things are brought into the mix. The driveline vibes are a good example. They are important, but in no way connected to the gears.

Things like a heavy foot or car payments are problems on the individual owner's level. SAS or not is probably not a critical point, either. For some it is, but not the majority. Not to say that such issues are not crucial, but most likely they are not with regards to the discussion at hand.

Now, on to the idea about the package deal. There are a few issues that you need to seriously consider before making them an offer:

1) The intro price was $575 and they have already brought it back one time. I suggest you do not ask them to go below that and you should expect it to be more, even as part of a package deal. The initial price was a hell of a deal on the gears when they came out and it would be unfair to those of us who did buy our gears on time and unfair to Tera to go back to such a drastic discount.

Also consider that the retail on the gears is ~$800. 10% off of that (a reasonable discount, IMHO) is just $80. In any offer of price you make them, it should be based off of $800, not $575.

2)The R&P gears are going for $425/set (F&R). This too, I am sure, is an intro type price. Keep that in mind. If you were to order R&P gears and the Tera Lows right now, you would be looking at $800+$425=$1225. At $800 for the package, you are asking them to knock off $425 off the top. That is 35% off. Even at $575+$425=$1000. $800 is just too low. A $1000 is still 18% off of full retail and it is dependant on them offering the gears for $575. Remember that the $425 was what they needed/wanted to run the gears. I would suggest offering no less than $1100. Sorry, but these are expensive parts.

You have the right attitude already, just keep Tera's interests in mind too. They are willing to serve us, a small, but enthusiastic, market. They have costs too and those costs rise with the small production runs.

Keep at it and be sensible. It can't hurt to try and at the worst case it costs full price.

Good Luck,
Michael

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Well Michael I was well past over agitated with you after about page 2 but I'd still pull a CV for ya I personally think my discussion about driveline vibes and such is still relevant because if your pushing 4,000 RPMs in 5th gear all the time then I still think that it could cause problems with not only vibes,but wear and tear, gas, etc...As far as payments and such go on our vehicles that was just in response to Matts sentiment about how we shouldnt care so much about $2,000 to $3,000 vehicles, I just wanted to remind him that not all of us have junkyard warriors here, so that he knows where I am coming from, cuz I know where he was coming from. There is many sides to this, but enough of that already.

As far as the package deal goes, I was only talking about the TeraLow and 1(one) R&P. Never did I mention the package for 2 R&P and a Tera Low(refer page 2) You have to remember I have a 99 which has the 44 in rear so the package was $575 + $210=$785 rounded to $800. I dont think this package would insult Tera in anyway as they have already offered the pricing a few times as you have mentioned. In an email written by Tera, I believe the owner. He expressed the need to find a better way to reach the Isuzu crowd as he has only sold like 39 TeraLows or some similiar number. If we do this reaching out to the Isuzu crowd for him(Tera) and then ask him if he(Tera) would go for this package I dont think we are insulting him at all. I make my living implementing $5,000 software so I know the pain of dealing with cheap bastard clients, but if a customer comes to me and says, "Hey I got together 15 Engineers who would like to buy the program you wrote at the introduction price, would you be able to accomodate us?" I would see it a tactful and respectable gesture. Now if he comes to me and says "I got 15 guys and we wont do any business with you unless you give us the intro price" I'd tell him to screw off.

As I said, "We are the beggars here, and Tera is the bearer of the ring and pinion that is . Dont pester them about the deal, but instead just speak up here so that we have something to convince Tera that we are serious. Its up to them to name the price. I think only Tera can tell us its worthwile to them.

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