THIS IS YELLING WHEN TYPING ON THE INTERNET! I never yelled at you in my posts. I never told you to kiss any derragatory body part in my posts. What I was mentioning is your a smart a$$ who hasn't been shown he's one. If you'd like I can do that for you. I don't go wheeling every weekend, the jeep probably got driven 5 or 6 times a year, at the most 10. The jeep is driven in sloppy conditions, where the tires are allowed to slip, so the problem went undetected for months after the rebuild. Once the problem was detected then I started to troubleshoot. The mistake I made was not checking the gear ratios b/c of the fact that I figured that wasn't the problem (I don't know respectable mech. respectable parts dealer I didn't doubt them). I made an improper assumption. I can tell you this BigJim that jeep was unloaded off the rack, drove up onto a trailer and hauled to the woods and in that time it never made a sound (after the initial rebuild of the front end). You never made any comment on ratios, yet you belittled me for having it in 4wd on hard surfaces as though I didn't know anything about 4wd. Where I'm from you either know about 4wd or you're a yankee so don't got there bro, I've worked on REAL 4wds, like swamp buggies that you guys have no clue about. Anytime you want to test your toys, just come south of Lake O' and I'll show you what 4wd is all about.
80CJ you are right about the suggestions about mismatched gear ratios, and that I didn't listen. Again, the reason was I couldn't possibly beleive that they got it wrong (both the mechanic and the parts dealer were beside themselves when I told them). I just knew it had to be something else, but you're right I was wrong. Maybe that was being stubborn, but you have to put the shoe on the other foot to be able to understand why I didn't try that. I felt all along it had to be something in the gearing with the way it was jumping, BUT I had eliminated the possibility of the wrong gear ratio for 2 reasons, 1. It took 2 months before the problem showed up after rebuild 2. I trusted (and still do, honest mistake)the parts dealer and the mechanic that helped me. Honest mistake! I didn't have the balls to find the problem, I eliminated everything else it could possibly be and realized I may have made a false assumption...and I did! I don't think it takes balls to do any of that, but hell what do I know...right?!
I don't care what you say, BigJim may be helpful, but the manner and candor he does it in has no place on a message board. I've never cussed him, nor will I EVER, that lacks class man, and is very childish. There is no need for that kind of attitude on a message board. He was very condescending in his posts and very insulting 2 things I will not tolerate.
Here is his answer to my first post:
I'm gonig to make a guess here... You seem to have good mechanics and good parts. So I'm thinking you either have it in 4X4 and hit some hard packed soil which will BIND up the drive train. OR you have at least one tire that is out if size with the others.
4X4 is intended for loose soil only. Using it on hard packed soil or pavement will result in loud pops.. caused by the different speeds of the wheels. This is a NORMAL happening occuring with almost any 4x4.
I replied back clarifying some things, and especially the part about driving on shell roads in 4wd. I've done this for 20 years with this NEVER happening, but yet BigJim tells me I don't know what I'm talking about b/c it is a "common occurrence"
Ok, I need to clarify. The pop is so hard that the vehicle almost stalls and does literally "jump" once whatever is bound up releases. It also has done it in the sand and mud, but not as much once on the roads. I ran these tires for 2 years before all the mechanicing went wrong. Can tires get out of size by running or sitting?
I have had this jeep since 86' and have run it on shell roads before in 4wd with no problem, so I don't know that it is the road that's doing it. Just some more tidbits of info. I thought I'd add. Thanks for the responses.
Duece you have just described a common happening for EVERY 4X4 on a hard surface.. The tighter the turn the quicker and harder the vehicle will JUMP and POP!
This can also happen in a tight turn on seemingly loose terrain.. If the tires get a good purchase and the steering wheel is turned the difference in radius between the front and the rear is the cause of the popping.
STOP keeping it in 4 wheel while on a hard surface.. If 4X4 isn't needed TAKE IT OUT!
There is nothing wrong with your vehicle.. The driver needs more education about how a 4X4 works.
There you see, he tells me "There is nothing wrong with my vehichle. The drive needs more education about how a 4X$ works." There was no need for that condescending comment, again 20 years driving and working on 4wd vehicles in S. FL, I guess I shouldn't have taken offense.
A different ratio front and rear takes about 3 feet to start humping and jumping.. There is no wait or rest it locks up and stays thataway!
Every post the guy makes he is resolute in thinking he knows something is wrong.
I have seen guys testing a 4X4 to purchase put in 4 on a parking lot and think the vehicle is broken.
I don't know what to tell you other than this didn't happen until it got onto that road, and it NEVER stayed locked up, NEVER. That goes to show, you may not know as much as you thought you did.
Guys, I've owned and operated jeeps and swamp buggies in S FL for over 20 years, I know how to use 4 wheel drive! Where I run you need 4 wheel drive once you leave the pavement (Big Cypress/Everglades)!
I took it out this past weekend and leaving my camp (the yard is grass) it popped again! I went and drove it in a slough that had anywhere from 6" to 2' of water and mud in it and it did not do it (maybe enough slippping to account for ratio diff????). The only thing I can think of is ratio diff., but I thought I'd ask on here to see if anyone else had seen something similar. The mechanic could have easily swithced them as he specializes in Jeeps and works on a bunch of them. I could see where it would be easy to do with so many Jeeps in 1 shop.
Anyhow, for those that offered help, thanks!
Here is where I talked to the mechanic and he said "it could have happened" but he didn' think so at the time, again the guy is a well respected, yet busy, mechanic, so I trusted him.
Duece I JUST reread all of your posts... You don't have a problem! Them gears have been in that Jeep for 3 years now. The ratio is correct! You have the same problem everyone has with 4X4's.. When you get traction in 4 your Jeep will pop and jump around..
I betcha it only does the popping when it is in a turn..don't it?
Again, this one is my favorite! All of that could not be further from the truth, and yet BigJim is such a big help!
I took the locking hubs off years ago. It is a woods jeep, it NEVER comes out of 4wd. I haven't driven the jeep consistently in over 3 or 4 yrs. b/c of this problem and work and athletics.....you get the picture. I'm wanting to get it going again as I love driving that old jeep.
I guess why I never checked the ratios is that you just never think that would be the problem. At least I didn't. I will check the ratios next time I'm at my camp and will post back what I find.
No the jeep does not do it only when it turns Big Jim. Like I told you, I know a thing or 2 about 4wd and what they are supposed to do, and not supposed to do. If you read the last post I made you would see it even did it in the grass. It also NEVER did this before the repairs, so why now is it all of a sudden "gaining traction". I understand you reread my posts, now let's start trying to comprehend what you've read twice.
Here again, I'm trying to explain what was going on to BigJim, and I even state that I couldn't beleive the ratios would have been changed. My bad for trusting 2 friends (parts dealer and mechanic)!
Sorry duece, but you don't know what you THINK you know!!!
You write that it NEVER comes out of four wheel drive! If TRUE your problem is as I have described over and over for your benefit!!!
If the gears are different it WILL start jumping in about 12 feet! AND it will never stop.. Trust me on this I have had one brought to me with one gear difference and it was never going to work for even ONE MINUTE..
If you have a front locker it will make the jumping even worse.
He keeps trying, but I'm telling you it did NONE of what you explained. It did fram and bang and jump, but it would quit, and would work for more than 1 minute! Again, I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm the only experiencing the problem, however...and I'm wrong...go figure!
Alrighty then! I measured the tires this weekend and...they are all the same! That solves that problem. So, Big Jim you being the expert...what is my problem then? If it doesn't keep doing it, what's going on then? The physics of what you're saying makes sense on surfaces that have little to no "give". Where I ran it last weekend was in a slough, very boggy and sloppy conditions. This would lead me to beleive that it wouldn't do it b/c of the ability to slip, but then again, what do I know?
The other thing is that you can drive it around for a while and sometimes it never does this. When it does do it, it is not always on the hard-packed road. I've had it do it to me in sand, mud and water, grass etc. What's funny is it never actually binds up. When it does it my natural instinct is to stop b/c of the fact it sounds like someone is banging on the bottom of the jeep w/an 8 lb. sledge hammer! You can let out on the clutch and away she rolls again! Sometimes she'll go 30 feet and do it again, other times it never does it in 3 hours of riding!!!!
I'm at a loss b/c as I said it is not just "gaining traction". I've driven this jeep in the same conditions since 1986, so unless the traction fairy has come along and spread traction dust, something's gotta be broken or setup wrong.
Again, I try and explain what's going on (for like the 5th time).
Now that we've had our lesson in reading comprehension, let's take a look at what we've learned. I had a problem, made a false assumption, eliminated all other problems and realized my original assumption was false thanking all who helped along the way.
BigJim on the other hand tells me first I don't know how 4wd works, and I need to learn about driving in 4wd. I try to explain this to him and he becomes more adamant in telling me in a round-a-bout way how stupid I am. Then when I explain to him that what mine is doing is not like what he is explaing, again he tells me I don't know anything about 4wd, check the post above etc. I guess I'm the one in the wrong, and I have no problem admitting I made a false assumption, but I didn't cuss anybody once I admitted I was wrong. So with that I rest my case, and any time you want to test your stuff out, bring down here to the glade's I think we could show you a thing or 2!
"When you're dumb...you've gotta be tough!"
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