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Kobi
Getting the Wheeling Fever


Reged: 06/10/01
Posts: 89
Loc: Israel
Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265701 - 07/11/01 10:24 AM

Hi guys,
So far got very useful advise from you . As you can see in my sigbature below I just crancked my torsion bars. I'l test it this weekend on a desert tough terrain trail.

Have anyone got an experience with STP Fuel Injector Cleaner? They recommend it every 2,500 miles.

[ 22 May 2002, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: DougH ]

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Lor
Mudrunner


Reged: 09/13/00
Posts: 391
Loc: Seattle, WA
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265702 - 07/11/01 10:29 AM

I heard that Redline SI1 is good stuff. I have tried it.

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Anonymous
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Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265703 - 07/11/01 11:09 AM

here is my experience with fuel additives, for what it's worth..

I've used them on-and-off every once in a while on various cars and never noticed a difference - at any given point i think I've tried every commonly available brand, aside from the ones that cost $30+ at least once. no difference. nothing can really be proven by this because none of the vehicles had any fuel related problems at the time.

HOWEVER - my girlfriend's 97 VW golf recently had a failure of the PCV (not the positive crankcase ventilation valve, but the purge control valve - it is a smog device which works with the charcoal canister to ensure that your engine burns evaporated fuel gasses in your gas tank) - anyhow this failure caused "spoiled" gummy, diesel-like fuel to seep into the air intake of the engine and cause sticking valves, characterized by a miss at idle and no power below 2500rpm, then sudden "like a switch" appearance of full engine power. After finally tracking down and repairing the PCV, the stuck valves remained and utilizing Gunk brand fuel injector and intake cleanser in the gasoline appears to have almost 100% remedied the problem over a period of 2 treated tankfuls.

therefore if a problem of this nature exists it appears that the fuel additives do,in fact, do their job.



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Augie
Body Damage is Cool


Reged: 12/23/99
Posts: 2329
Loc: Ohio
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265704 - 07/11/01 11:20 AM

I agree with Eric. I tried many times and never realize and improvement but when I tear my engine apart it was very clean no wonder it does not make any difference. My fuel injector are still clogged and dripping according to RC engineering that do the rebuild but inside the engine was clean.

If you have any problem then its worth the expense to try before getting more expensive fix but if they are running fine then forget it.

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Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265705 - 07/12/01 12:02 AM

I usually run one into a tank about every other month, just to keep things clean. When I first purchased my Montero, there were some intermitent(?sp) hesitation problems. The fuel addative seemed to help a lot, possible gummed up from previous owner.
My only problem since, was on the 4th of July, did some wheelin in the am, then some shopping, when I came out I drove about 100 yards and stalled. It would start but no fuel to keep it running. I thought, "Well, a year with no problems isn't bad." Figured a fialed fuel line or pump. Turn out it was 97 degrees out and it had vapor locked. Realized the next day after I had a friend pick me to to go to the fire works. My previous vehicles have been fuel injected, so I didn't even think to release the presure when it stalled.

Also I have noticed a diffrence throwing in a can if I plan to be 13,000+ feet.

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Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265706 - 07/12/01 12:20 AM

I use Redline Fuel Additive. I can feel the difference in power. This of course could also be the fresh air filter I installed but who knows... Oh yeah, Pep Boys sells the stuff for cheap.

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DougH
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Reged: 02/25/01
Posts: 9781
Loc: Putnam, CT
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265707 - 07/11/01 02:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mitch2:
I use Redline Fuel Additive. I can feel the difference in power. This of course could also be the fresh air filter I installed but who knows... Oh yeah, Pep Boys sells the stuff for cheap.

Here is my stance on fluid additives,

Ive been talking to my friends dad who is a chemical engineer and used to design stuff like fuel additives, this is what he shared with me.

First, there are two types of additives really, cleaners, and fluid "inhancers".

Cleaners he said are just as they sould, clean the crap out of injectors carbs and such. He recommended using them on a schedule, not because they add hp really, but because they will increase your average flow and life of your injectors. He said if you never let the get gummed up, you wont need that power feel you get when you add it once a year and cleans all the crap that has accumilated, he told me he uses them every 5,000 miles or so.

Next are the inhancers. What these do oviously is inhance the propertires of your fluid. You can boost octain, add lsd additive, and crap like that. Once again none of these additives offer a performance gain, they just to maintance for you from the inside out. Others stabilize petrol products like oil additives.

The last thing he shared with me is that no additive was magical. He laughed at me cause I was putting in one of those cans of compression restore at my last change. He said that short of seal reconditioner, nothing is going to save what is already super screwed. Only sonic cleaning can fix a really jammed injector, nothing will help your compression short of a bore and rebuild, and a cracked leaky seal or valve will allways be cracked dry and crappy intill you change it.

Thats why I throw in the injector cleaner and every oil change, and use oil additives to lower wear and tear on my engine, cause nothing is going to help in latter on, which comes out of a can for 12.95.

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DougH


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Mitsuzu
Body Damage is Cool


Reged: 04/06/01
Posts: 1247
Loc: Georgetown, Tx
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265708 - 07/11/01 02:30 PM

Several years ago I had a car that was knocking. Was talking at work about needing to get some fuel injector cleaner to add to tank. A friend who is heavily into boating told me the best to get was Chevron's Techron fuel system cleaner. Sure enough this stuff worked like a charm. I will occasionally get for my vehicles if having any problem or just to run through every 10,000 miles or so. Been meaning to get a bottle for Montero.

Joe

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don
Roll Me Over


Reged: 05/17/00
Posts: 3281
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265709 - 07/11/01 03:56 PM

I've been running the carb cleaners, by direct spray or in a tank of gas, every 6 months or so. My mechanic friend says Chevron's Techron works best, but I usually just grab a bottle of STP's cleaner.

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fasteddy
Web Wheeler


Reged: 01/30/01
Posts: 12703
Loc: Flat Creek, GA
Re: Opinion: Fuel additives
      #265710 - 07/11/01 05:02 PM

Once upon a time in the FJ55 'Cruiser, I had a tank of gas (53 gallons) sit long enough to varnish up while waiting on the tranny shop to find another core and rebuild my warrantyed 700R4. I ran about 6 cans of various carb/injector cleaners (plus a few ounces of xylol and a little acetone) through it before it would pass gas through the filter and degunk the Holley. I ran really cruddy until that fuel was gone, but it ran, and the tank came out clean, at least in the view range of the bore scope we put down the filler tube. You get olefin deposits in injectors over time, and they have to be removed and power flushed, and preferrably ultrasound cleaned to dislodge them, plus a reverse flow cleaning is nice. I still use the old Coke bottle full of water trick (6 1/2 oz. size antique bottle) through the intake to clean off carbon and other valve and combustion chamber deposits, but this is not a procedure for the faint of heart. You run the engine at around 2000rpm, and dribble the water into the intake stream VERY SLOWLY, and the resulting steam cleans stuff upvery nicely. If you've ever seen the combustion chamber after a blown head gasket leaking water in the combustion chamber, you've seen the same cleaning effect. Kevin, this a real redneck trick, and must be performed under a big oak tree with the engine hoist chain hanging from a stout branch and empty Oertel's 92 Bigmouth bottles or Dixie Beer cans laying around to be most effective.

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