88D50
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Reged: 11/28/06
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I have seen where the Starion 2.6 is a turbo engine.
My question is: Is there a difference in the head or block from the Starion 2.6 to the Ram/Mighty Max 2.6?
I have a Garret T3, and there is a 2.6 turbo manifold on ebay right now for the T3. Could I turbo my current Ram 2.6 with this? Would I need to inject the 2.6 with this set up? Or could I use my Weber carb? Does Weber make float sets for this carb to withstand turbo pressures?
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Jimbotsi
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Reged: 02/02/06
Posts: 84
Loc: South NJ
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Blocks are the same casting but have different compression pistons with a nitride hardened crank. Block is also machined with piston oil squirters to help cool the pistons in turbo applications. On the carb issue, I've only seen it done once and there was not much info on it, so it would be lots of R&D on your part to make it work. It would be a lot easier using the fuel injection system from a Starion since all you would need to do is bolt it on and wire it up.
EDIT: Head is the same, only difference is the valves, the exhaust valves are stellite, non turbo valves will burn up over time. And the ebay manifold will work to turbo your truck as long as everything clears the hood etc.
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Edited by Jimbotsi (10/07/07 04:03 PM)
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88D50
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Thanks for the info!
The T3 turbo would be using a 7psi mechanical waste gate.
Do you think a non turbo block and head could take 7psi without catastrophic failure? Do you think it would last a few years before major problems surfaced?
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Jimbotsi
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Thanks for the info!
The T3 turbo would be using a 7psi mechanical waste gate.
Do you think a non turbo block and head could take 7psi without catastrophic failure? Do you think it would last a few years before major problems surfaced?
Absolutely NOT, if this is your daily driver I wouldn't do this. I'm just giving you some info though and don't want to be responsible for a blown motor. Although it MIGHT be possible to use a stock Starion turbo at low (3-5) psi for awhile but even that is hit or miss to how long it would hold up. Some T3 turbo's flow more cubic feet per minute than a stocker and thats why I said what I did. If your serious about doing this, do it right the first time and forget about it. Look at the turbo bible FAQ for more info.
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torquemonster
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Reged: 01/12/05
Posts: 1537
Loc: Red Deer, Alberta
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a stock non-turbo G54B will be fine at 9psi boost. just make sure you have enough fuel to keep it from detonating. my friend turbo'd his 1990 Isuzu pickup with the 2.6 engine. its not a mitsu 2.6 though. but it has been turbod for 12 years now, put on 250,000km since the upgrade...still runs strong and doesn't burn a drop of oil, the truck has 310,000km on it now.
non-turbo engines can handle decent boost...having the proper fuel is alot more critical, melting a piston can be easily done with no fuel upgrades.
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88D50
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The truck isn't my daily driver anymore. But It is still my primary vehicle for most things personal. If I were to turbo this truck, and it were to blow up it would be bad, for me - LOL.
This is a really stupid question as I all ready kinda know the answer, but I am looking for confirmation.
The Chrysler 2.2L that came in early 80's Daytonas wont fit my bell will it? I have seen where the 2.6 Mits have been used in alot of Chyrsler applications. But the bells are different I think.
I really wish I could use the 2.2 my T3 is on, in my truck. It was a really good little engine last time I had it in a vehicle. And I have a brand new clutch for it. Fabricating some engine mounts wouldn't be too hard, and I still have the computer and harness....
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torquemonster
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the 2.2 is a dodge made engine....nothing in common with the mitsu 2.6. chrysler used mitsubishi engines in alot of there cars. IMHO putting a turbo on carbureted engine is very stupid, it is very innefficient and a ***** to tune most times but it is possible. you can get a Australian intake manifold (from a mitsubishi Magna TN or TP). it was a FWD car that came with the 2.6 G54B engine and Mulit-point fuel injection, that is the best way to go. the Starions came with throttle body injection which is pretty dinosaur era technology. I have 2 of these Magna intake manifolds sitting in my basement. they have to be modified and I have not done that yet to them. I am going to keep one in the hopes one day i will own another G54B powered vehicle.
If you go to www.starquestclub.com. There is TONS of information there on the Magna intake, and probably a fair share on this forum too!!!
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LandRaider
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This is a bad idea for several reasons. Some of which are mentioned above.
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87Raider_TSI
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Reged: 12/22/06
Posts: 233
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
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This is a bad idea for several reasons. Some of which are mentioned above.
The idea itself isn't bad. But you need to know what you are doing to do it properly.
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Brianawd
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Reged: 03/29/07
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You can turbo just about any motor you want to. Most of the time when the engine blows up is because of 2 things Poor tune and the person getting greedy with the boost. If you really want to turbo a motor the FIRST thing you should buy is a wideband. This is one tunning tool I will not go with out.
My rule of thumb is no more than 9psi of boost on a none turbo block. AFR of 11.0:1-11.2:1. no more than 18degs of max timing.
Could you push it more? yes but that when I say you are getting greedy. Between me and my friends we have build our far share of turbo honda's that are still on stock internals and have put more than 60k on the motor under boost.
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