EastCoaster
Mudrunner
Reged: 07/05/01
Posts: 316
Loc: Boston, MA USA
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Sudden death of ECU last night. Driving along fine, no warning, Check Engine lite comes on, immediate cutoff of engine (no sputtering.)
Engine cranks fine, fuel pump fine, spark good, etc etc.
Pull ECU - the IC's labelled IC107-IC110 (little vertically-mounted things in a group of four smell burned. IC108 is blistered.
OK, Probably the whole board is shot, but I would certainly be willing to replace those four ICs later and test this one.
Meanwhile, I need a new ECU - or a rebuild. Any recommendations?
This vehicle is a manual transmission 4dr with A/C, originally sold in Colorado (so I don't know if there are any Cal emissions features.)
Help help help!
Thanks.
-------------------- 2 dr Monteros (1); 1988 2.6 LSD 5 sp -- the 1989 3.0 5sp now belongs to Jim_B!
4 dr (1); 1991, LS. Bone stock, real clean (ask OffRoader, he's seen it at Hollister..)
2 Monteros not enough? The dog is named Monty, too.
Edited by EastCoaster (11/28/06 12:28 PM)
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MI_Mitsu
Rock Warrior
Reged: 03/24/06
Posts: 702
Loc: Romulus, Michigan (Detroit)
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Wow... a board veteran posting to the wrong forum!
lol...well when desperation sinks in I suppose we don't pay attention to those things! j/k..
Anyway I've got my 89 LWB 3.0L Auto with a good ECU....anyone know for sure if they are interchangeable.
BTW...yeah I PM'ed you too.
MI/Mitsu
-------------------- 89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto
91 Montero RS 3.0L/Auto
87 Dodge Raider 2.6L/Auto
90 MightyMax 2.4L/Man
Parted/gone - parts available!
89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto [Blue/Blue] (identical to my 1st), 88 Conquest SHP
Others: 37 Lincoln
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fhuzz
Rock Warrior
Reged: 04/26/01
Posts: 659
Loc: richmond hill, ontario
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EastCoaster,
I've got a working ECU from a 90 LWB auto.
I don't know if they are interchangable though... the auto with manual and 90 with 91.
I've sent you a PM.
Michigan Mitsu,
If EastCoaster wants my ECU, I'd gladly give you the same for your's as he's giving me for mine.
I've sent you a PM.
dT
-------------------- '89 Monty LWB auto, 3rd row seating, 95SR rear + coils, genII UCA's and calipers/rotors, dual bouncies.
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MI_Mitsu
Rock Warrior
Reged: 03/24/06
Posts: 702
Loc: Romulus, Michigan (Detroit)
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Are you actually suggesting a 3-way? lol 
ummm.. thanks but actually I'm only interested selling/offloading the extra part, or I'll keep it until the day my main Montero's ECU dies as they are identical vehicles.
An interesting notion though....the 3-way.
-------------------- 89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto
91 Montero RS 3.0L/Auto
87 Dodge Raider 2.6L/Auto
90 MightyMax 2.4L/Man
Parted/gone - parts available!
89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto [Blue/Blue] (identical to my 1st), 88 Conquest SHP
Others: 37 Lincoln
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fhuzz
Rock Warrior
Reged: 04/26/01
Posts: 659
Loc: richmond hill, ontario
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Quote:
Are you actually suggesting a 3-way? lol
I guess I am... in a way...
...since I was offering to sell my spare 1990 ECU to EastCoaster (which is definately different than the 1989 ECU), I'd BUY your 1989 ECU from you for the same 'cash' that I'd sell my 1990 ECU to EastCoaster for...
So, you would be offloading your ECU... and getting paid for it...
dT
-------------------- '89 Monty LWB auto, 3rd row seating, 95SR rear + coils, genII UCA's and calipers/rotors, dual bouncies.
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MI_Mitsu
Rock Warrior
Reged: 03/24/06
Posts: 702
Loc: Romulus, Michigan (Detroit)
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oic...
well fhuzz, as soon as you hear back from EastCoaster let me know what you work out.
Any deal should beat those vultures on ebay asking $395 and $495!
-------------------- 89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto
91 Montero RS 3.0L/Auto
87 Dodge Raider 2.6L/Auto
90 MightyMax 2.4L/Man
Parted/gone - parts available!
89 Montero LS 3.0L/Auto [Blue/Blue] (identical to my 1st), 88 Conquest SHP
Others: 37 Lincoln
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fhuzz
Rock Warrior
Reged: 04/26/01
Posts: 659
Loc: richmond hill, ontario
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will do...
dT
-------------------- '89 Monty LWB auto, 3rd row seating, 95SR rear + coils, genII UCA's and calipers/rotors, dual bouncies.
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EastCoaster
Mudrunner
Reged: 07/05/01
Posts: 316
Loc: Boston, MA USA
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Thanks, guys - I may be in the market, but there have been a few developments since I last checked in here. Here's what I know so far:
The p/n is MD146946. This apparently is the only ECU that made it into the 3.0 Gen 1 - there is another model that is sort-of compatible electronically but does not have the same connectors, which I believe begins MD175xxx.
There are known issues with the Rubycon electrolytic capacitors leaking corrosive gunk onto the board.
The 3.0 engine has proven more durable and more popular than Mitsu (intended? thought?) and so there is a shortage of rebuildable cores for this part. My local dealer can order a new one from Mitsu for $1300. I haven't tried eBay but there seems to be one in a boneyard around here for a little less than that.
AVPro ECM in Ft Myers Beach FL can rebuild them for $160 unless they are totally fried. At present he does not have any cores in stock and hasn't seen any for a few months, but Nick (the guy I spoke with) seemed extremely knowledgeable. He immediately identified the burned out part (a Darlington transistor array, one of four labelled IC107-IC110), and correctly told me that it was probably one of the middle ones. He also said the likely cause of the failure was - get this - improper winding insulation on the stepper motor which controls low-speed idle. Sure enough, I had to replace that part (with a new Mitsu part, cost about $200) last summer! He said that the insulation on the magnet core wire is too low-temp and eventually fails, shorting everything out, all the way back to the ECU, and he STRONGLY recommends disconnecting the idle controller and just using the screw.
He also said (this may be self-serving, but I kinda tend to believe him on the principle that whatever can screw up, will) that putting a boneyard piece into your truck might well cause it to blow, either because of the above issue (duh) or because the electrolytics could haved leaked causing damage to the board that was not there the last time the donor truck ran. For his price (see below) it seems prudent to get the thing rebuilt and checked.
Indeed, when I looked carefully at my board, I could see some corrosion around the base of C107, the larger of the two big electrolytic caps.
His price for the rebuild includes repairing any damage to the multilayer board (mine was singed a little, not too bad) changing the leaky Rubycon caps, and replacing any other bad components. They give a lifetime warranty and, as he said, 'I never want to see your board again.' I was impressed and sent him mine overnight - I should have it back here Thursday and will report fully. Anybody else out there have experience with them? As I said, I've done a bit of circuit design and this guy seemed on the up-and-up, and quite knowledgeable.
-------------------- 2 dr Monteros (1); 1988 2.6 LSD 5 sp -- the 1989 3.0 5sp now belongs to Jim_B!
4 dr (1); 1991, LS. Bone stock, real clean (ask OffRoader, he's seen it at Hollister..)
2 Monteros not enough? The dog is named Monty, too.
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sparkem
Trail Leader
Reged: 12/12/00
Posts: 6883
Loc: Ponchatoula, LA
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Quote:
The p/n is MD146946. This apparently is the only ECU that made it into the 3.0 Gen 1 -
Wrong, my Raider had a 3.0 with a different number ECU. The number ended in 6477.
-------------------- I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
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FrankR
Web Wheeler
Reged: 02/01/04
Posts: 10224
Loc: Columbia, SC
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Quote:
The p/n is MD146946. This apparently is the only ECU that made it into the 3.0 Gen 1
Nope - the '89 3.0L ECU part # is MD126339 for one variant (not sure if it's CA, M/T model or a Dodge Ram truck variant) and MD136477 for the 3.0L A/T Raider model. My truck has the MD136477 ECU and I keep a good spare in the truck at all times.
That's very interesting advice on disconnecting the IAC and using the adjuster screw, though - if anyone can prove that to be useful, I'd be the first to convert. Thanks for the "food for thought"..... just might work.
Frank
Edited by FrankR (11/28/06 07:15 PM)
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