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22re supercharger question
      #725976 - 05/12/05 02:57 AM

does anybody know where i might be able to find a supercharger for a 1995 toyota pickup 4cyl i know that some 4cylinders used to come with them but i dont see them very often

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #726008 - 05/12/05 08:28 AM

Try www.lcengineering.com or ebay

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #726125 - 05/12/05 12:32 PM

http://www.camdensuperchargers.com/

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: stock87]
      #726303 - 05/12/05 08:14 PM

some of them used to come from the factory w/ a turbo charger but ive never heard of a supercharger for the 22re. i thought turbos were better anyway.

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: 87Toy4x4]
      #726310 - 05/12/05 08:20 PM

AFAIK, LCE is the only company offering a supercharger kit for the 22RE. The kit is not cheap (~$5k at a minimum), and will not work with the stock EFI; it requires using a standalone EFI computer, like the SDS. HP is around 185, but I don't know if this is at the rear wheels or the crank.

I don't want to open up the whole turbo vs. supercharger debate again, but the accepted wisdom is that you can make more absolute power with a turbo, but a supercharger will give you better low end power at the expense of top end power.

From my own experience, a turbocharged 22RE can give you *much* more power than you really need, although the cost of building a stable, reliable turbo motor is steep.

My .02 cents,

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: mosk]
      #726337 - 05/12/05 09:53 PM

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #727347 - 05/15/05 09:18 PM

There was the turbo 22ret from the factory but no Supercharged motors.

There USED to be a Camden? charger kit for the 22r carb motors. I've seen them on ebay now and again. Don't think theres much out there designed for the EFI motors.

Perhaps something like this:

Toyota SC14

I picked one up to play with in hopes of mounting on a 22re like you propose. Standard roots style charger with it's own sump and intake and outlet pipe flanges. And a cool ac-style magnetic clutch like on the MR-2

I've seen a page where an Aussie mounts one up to what I want to say was a small Ford motor modded the flages all nice and whatnot - and one crazy American muscle car with two of em, You'll have to find the pages though.


Personally I think I'm going to go 7mg?e less tuning work, besides, my 22re's shot - keeping the charger tho.... never know what crazy idea might surface..


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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #727362 - 05/15/05 09:52 PM

B&M used to make a 22R manifold for one of their superchargers. very, VERY rare these days. saw one on ebay a year or so ago -- i wish i would've had some money at the time, as it only went for $60 i think

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: kyle-22r]
      #727389 - 05/15/05 11:00 PM

I've wanted a S/C just so I don't have to monkey around with rerouting the exhaust.


If anyone is selling one, please let me know!


We all know my warentee is up on my EB motor (heh) so I'd like to mess around with my options... maybe I'll reinstall this:



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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ArbitraryNotion]
      #727415 - 05/16/05 12:01 AM

what the hell is that?

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ArbitraryNotion]
      #727430 - 05/16/05 12:57 AM

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Re: 22re supercharger question "pic" [Re: ]
      #727434 - 05/16/05 01:07 AM

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #727451 - 05/16/05 02:09 AM

Its a 350 CFM A/C blower motor (squrrel cage). No pressure, all volume. I was playing with it but I was a bit in a rush and got a bolt down the intake. Now I have an EB motor...


I haven't had the guts to reinstall it. I'm really thinking about it tho... maybe have a setup where It only kicks in at WOT....


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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ArbitraryNotion]
      #727460 - 05/16/05 02:57 AM

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #727977 - 05/17/05 02:17 AM

I'm no expert on this stuff, but the carb flows less than 350...

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ArbitraryNotion]
      #727984 - 05/17/05 03:42 AM

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #809627 - 11/16/05 05:40 PM

LC is now promoting a blower for the 22RE that should "work" with stock EFI. Never seen one in action. It's a camden unit adapted to the manifold some how.
relatively low boost. <$3k.

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ArbitraryNotion]
      #809813 - 11/16/05 11:05 PM

Quote:

I'm no expert on this stuff, but the carb flows less than 350...




290 cfms stock but......

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: 4WD22R]
      #809835 - 11/16/05 11:26 PM

I always wondered if it was possible to make the trd supercharger for the 3.4 work on a 3.0 v6. Any ideas?

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381]
      #810069 - 11/17/05 01:13 PM

Quote:

LC is now promoting a blower for the 22RE that should "work" with stock EFI. Never seen one in action. It's a camden unit adapted to the manifold some how.
relatively low boost. <$3k.




They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: MuddRunner]
      #810245 - 11/17/05 07:09 PM

Quote:

They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...




You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.



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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381]
      #810475 - 11/18/05 09:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...




You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.




I never said it would work with a stock EFI engine... LC Engineering recommends many mods for it's induction systems, both turbo and supercharged, look at the bottom of this link for their Tech-FAQ

http://www.lcengineering.com/Newsletter/NewsltrV4N01.htm

Sorry but the http://www.toyotacatalog.net/ server is still not working...

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381]
      #811667 - 11/21/05 03:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...




You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.





Here is the link to the LC page for their superchargers. Items 1073003 and 1073004.
http://www.toyotacatalog.net/m1webgear/ProductSearch.aspx?Class=1641
Has anyone on this site used one of these?

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: MuddRunner]
      #813911 - 11/27/05 01:32 AM

I have one.
See my above post. It's the same blower on the 22r and 22re.
Manifolds are different for the EFI, of course.
The high and low boost versions are simply different drive pulleys.

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381]
      #821959 - 12/13/05 03:59 AM

BUMP!!!! I need to bring this thread back up because I want more power out of the 22re and I think a 10lb boost package tuned down to 8psi should net up around 200hp yes?? Im curious how much extra stuff you need outside of the basic kit.

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: ]
      #822189 - 12/13/05 07:00 PM

Quote:

BUMP!!!! I need to bring this thread back up because I want more power out of the 22re and I think a 10lb boost package tuned down to 8psi should net up around 200hp yes?? Im curious how much extra stuff you need outside of the basic kit.




Um...no, and certainly not 200 hp at the rear wheels. Maybe160-170 hp at the wheels, at sea level on a cold day running premium, assuming the motor also has the additional necessary tidbits to support this sort of power (bigger injectors, header, performance exhaust, performance cam, aftermarket ignition). Remember, stock 22RE makes 116 hp at the crank, so a jump from that to 200 (wheels or crank) is serious business.

Also, remember that the supercharger is parasitic, so it will take power to spin it, and the faster it spins the more power it will need.

I'm not knocking superchargers, as I have one on my 3RZ 4Runner, but the gains I saw were very modest -- maybe 15 hp at 5 or 6 psi of boost. My 3RZ motor is stock except for a header and exhaust.

On my 22RTE, I'm currently making 222hp on 15 psi of boost. But this is a race-prepped motor with a serious pedigree (and an expensive learning curve). You can certainly get 200+ hp from a 22RE with forced induction, but it doesn't make that sort of power easily or cheaply.

Not knocking your dreams, just wanted to share some thoughts and perhaps set your goals to more attainable levels.

-Jeff

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: mosk]
      #823395 - 12/16/05 04:48 PM

Respek' to Jeff.. I've been watching your build up of that 22RET for quite a while. The only thing I would have done differently is the EFI side.

Jeff is right, 200 rwhp is probably outside the range of that 22RE with a bolt on. Now, that being said, the supercharger is a positive displacement unit and it makes boost almost immediately. I haven't talked to LC about it for almost a year, but you might want to call and check for documentation and dyno runs. The TORQUE the blower put out was instant and very impressive, if I recall right - 50% more at 5-6psi. If nothing else, it will feel like a lot more power in a range where you can use it every day.

For peak power, a turbo is the way to go as it's not parasitic- IE - it doesn't require crank HP to turn the belt.

Another thing, you won't see 8psi on pump gas without doing some timing and more likely A/F control.

Alternatives for a good budget blown motor:
Use RET pistons (much lower compression)
use a RET head w/ stock pistons (somewhat lower compression)
Timing control (something like MSD-6AL BTM)
Water injection

Again, I don't know how LC is doing fuel control on the EFI unit.

I haven't dyno'd my junk yet... I'll get around to it one day, but my compression is very low - 7.8:1 EST. I can run 87 octane and 10-11 psi, stock timing, no pinging at all. There is probably another 25 HP in my motor if I could increase the boost efficiently.

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381]
      #823408 - 12/16/05 05:17 PM

ive seen plenty of 3.4L engines with wiring harnesses for sale less than that S/C. Just a thought.

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