ducktrooper
Rock Warrior
Reged: 03/28/01
Posts: 598
Loc: Memphis, TN
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That would go for me as well for the 3.5 l 3rd generation Trooper.
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StinkBug
Roll Me Over
Reged: 07/24/00
Posts: 2984
Loc: Under my truck.
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Hmm thats funny, I went to summitracing.com and typed in ceramic coated headers. Admittedly I didn't go through all 20 pages of results, but all the chevy headers I saw were 500+. Either way my point is the same, small production runs are expensive and many companies wont even try it. I was just using the headers as an example, I dont build em and probably never will, but hopefully someone will decide to.
Dallas
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Bigpoppax2
Roll Me Over
Reged: 04/22/02
Posts: 2529
Loc: Bluefield, Virginia
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Yeah, it seems Pacesetter is close to making a set of headers. I know Chasespeed is trying to get them a head to solve some of their prior fittment problems. He's one of the guys that's practically foaming at the mouth over a set.
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matthew
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 01/04/00
Posts: 1656
Loc: Richmond, VA
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i'll preface this with : I would LOVE to see the 3.2L headers on the market. I think they hit a very wide market sector....OF the isuzu ownership.
BUT, on the realistic side......don't hold your breath. i've spoken with them face-to-face 2 years in a row now at SEMA about those headers. 
Pacesetter made Micheal Wood's prototype headers for his 3.2L Amigo ....what like 3-4 years ago? if guys were beating down the doors to buy them they would be on the market already.
No?
Bod Land Racing also had 3.2L headers......they used them on the Pike's peak winning Amigo.... i guess ...3 years ago. They too went by the wayside due to lack of interest.
it's a real shame..... really, if there is a repeated track record of MFG. dissapointment......it really "blacklists" Isuzu enthusiasts as a "weak" market sector and not worthy of your capitol and investment as a Manufacturer. We come right back to $$$. people have to realize it is just simple economics........if guys are dying to spend their $$$, companies will certianly give you something to spend it on.
bottom line is that companies put up a good chunk of their money just to bring a new product to the market.............and since they are not enthusiasts, rather "businessmen" .................investing in a product just to "shelf it" for a couple years while you sell 1's and 2's is really not a likely proposition for companies.
when companies start making good $$$ in a particular market sector, other companies take notice and try to jump in to get a "piece of the pie"
the isuzu aftermatket has "stumbled along" since 1986 when the trooper got 4 Wheel's "4x4 of the year award". there were a number of items that hit the market around that time:
Lockright for the rear 10 bolt
Auburn Limited slip for the 10 bolt
Thorley header for the 2.3L
Advance Adapters 2.3L/2.6L to 4.3L gm swap
Superwinch hubs
etc.
but, years later due to it never "taking off" lockright is gone and auburn is gone and Thorley is gone and Advance is gone.
i'm just playing  advocate here and throwing out a little perspective on how important it is to buy and support the items that are on the market.
as a group, there have been some HUGE strides in aftermarket support. The Tera t-case and axle gears are a serious stride...as well as the ARB air locker for the front IFS
i can network and pitch product develomant to companies all day long...and tell them how this is a growing 4x4 market that they should think about.............. but in the end if I/they do not sell a good number of units.......well it's all just talk w/ nothing to back it up.
ok....................i could go on, but let's go back to more ideas.
off soapbox 
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matthew
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 01/04/00
Posts: 1656
Loc: Richmond, VA
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oh, damn...i got carried away and forgot an important point.
What has worked well in the past is the ORGANIZED BUY. organize ouselves, pool the money in a "pre-order" like the ARB's or Tera gears, or whatever and then take it to the manufacturer.
if I went toPacesetter header with an order of 50 or 75. this would be much, much closer to a reality. they would see a vendor in the market willing to put up $$$ because they believe it will sell.....or better yet, is already sold.
i could do this with Lockright............if there is a demand for the 10 bolt locker ( i have the ear of someone there, and have been told on qty. it can happen  )
i could do it to get the Thorley headers for the 2.3L 4 cyl. (have the ear of someone and have been told they will "bring it back" )
you get the point 
BOTTOM LINE: put your $$$ where your mouth is. 
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Smiley
Trail Leader
Reged: 12/12/01
Posts: 5911
Loc: Back in BFE, WV
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[* After reading Matt’s last post, I had a funny thought, and I just couldn’t resist sharing it… ]
Welcome back to the Isuzu Improvement Telethon!
Before we get to the 4-wheeling footage that I promised, I have a very heartwarming story that I want you to hear…
Friends… I want to share a success story with you, so that you can see firsthand what we can accomplish when we all work together…
Just look at this beautifully decked-out first generation Trooper – Why only a few short months ago, it was 100% bone stock, and really showing its age… But thanks to the activism of your Isuzu aftermarket retailers, and your support of them, it has been completely reborn, and sports the traction enhancement devices that it needed to do some serious off-road romping!
This fine vehicle now has ARB lockers, both front and rear – a set of Tera Lows… and a winch bumper to boot!
And most important of all, it wouldn’t have been possible without the involvement of people just like YOU! – Folks who banded together, so that their voices were heard, in order to make it all happen!
And if you pick-up that phone, right now, WE CAN DO IT AGAIN!
That’s right! – Just a simple phone call to one of your Isuzu aftermarket retailers, with your pledge of support, can get the ball rolling!
Your deposit could make all of the difference in the world! --- For just dollars a day (what you likely spend on a burger, or a fancy cup of coffee!) you could help insure the introduction of still more Isuzu aftermarket products!
Full Under-Belly Skid Plates? – IT CAN HAPPEN!
Custom Exhaust Headers? – IT CAN HAPPEN!
10-Bolt Limited Slips & Lunchbox Lockers? – THEY CAN BE RESURRECTED!
…And you have the power to make it happen!
Don’t delay… CALL RIGHT NOW! --- Your Isuzu will thank you! 
Now, let’s see those phones light up before we go to the tote-board…
[* I am SO gonna catch for this!  ]
(Claiming suspension + body lift, & Tera Low ownership as grounds for immunity from outright ridicule)
All kidding aside… I completely agree with Matt – If we want products, we have to be willing to prove it with our wallets.
Cheers! 
Smiley
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94rodeo
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 07/12/00
Posts: 1783
Loc: Holladay, Utah
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i had a local guy CAD, machine, drill, and tap that adapter for me to the tune of $250 or $300
the idea was to offer them an a 'semi-production" base.......like i would make 10 or so at a time.
long story short.............ths relationship broke down with the guy as he wasn't really looking to "work" w/ me even though the CAD was done, (meaning lower the $$$ for qty). Basically i felt it was cost prohibitive to persue this MFG.......in that the price point (after a mark-up) would be retarded for the customer.
matter of economy.....$250............or $200 ea. seems to be pretty SPENDY to me for this type of product.
IF THIS IS AN ITEM PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN..........it would be pretty easy for me to start "shopping" it again to find a better MFG.
Basically a part like this i would think, should end up around at $150 +/- to the customer on LOW end of the scale depending on my volume.
any interest?
I had my stock flange drilled to the toy bolt pattern and a pilot washer machined into the flange for the toy cv all for around $45.
Troy
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matthew
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 01/04/00
Posts: 1656
Loc: Richmond, VA
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I had my stock flange drilled to the toy bolt pattern and a pilot washer machined into the flange for the toy cv all for around $45.
Troy
yep like i said.that "adapter is not really the "best" solution. I like the idea of modified stock flanges, or completely new casting that are exactly what you just described.
New (from scratch) flange broached on one side for the isuzu t-case output, on the other side toyota pattern. that is the best solution in my opinion.
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Edited by matthew (11/18/04 04:31 PM)
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matthew
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 01/04/00
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Loc: Richmond, VA
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[* I am SO gonna catch for this! ]
Smiley
i was actually laughing to myself this morning thinking that my post was approaching "Smiley" status 
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randii
4x4Wire.com Managing Editor Emeritus
Reged: 08/02/99
Posts: 9030
Loc: Fair Oaks, CA USA
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If you could get them out in the $50-90 range i'd probably go for it because that way you can just run junkyard toyota shafts and tear those up instead of custom shafts.
I admire the jukyard-budget intent, and have been running Toyota joints and shafts between Isuzu yokes since the mid-90's, but even so, you've still gotta shorten/lengthen the donor driveshaft to fit your Isuzu, right?
BTW, I like Matt's adaptor from a design-elegance perspective, and the alignment puck like RobG uses for simplicity's sake -- but the path of least resistance, IMHO, is to take 15-20 thousandths off the inside of each side of the Toyota yoke and just run the Isuzu joints and Isuzu flange-yokes.
I know this is a bit off-topic, but is an example of a requested product for which market definitely exists, where the market is at least partially-served by several work-arounds. Thus this request ends up further down in the list of priorities, for most manufacturers, who seek a market where clear demand exists without much competition (either with a workaround or with other vendors).
FWIW1: all bets are off if you have 1310-series joints... but then again, you have more choices on that side, as well. IIRC, there's a 1310-to-Toyota conversion cross available, tho, so you might be able to leverage the 'Zu/Toy similarity.
FWIW2: you can run a TH200 slip-joint from a late-70's Caddy luxo-barge in place of your Isuzu slip-yoke at the back of the transfer case and use the Caddy CV on the Caddy female-splined slip to mate to the Isuzu male-splined shaft and slip seal.
Options abound.
Randii
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4x4Wire Managing Editor Emeritus
Mongrel Isuzu Amigo
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