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Smiley
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Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo [PROJECT COMPLETED!]
      #588266 - 09/07/04 03:40 AM

[EDIT]

New information has come to light...


After reading this post, scroll down until you find the RED ASTERISKS
( * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * )

Then keep going until you reach the BLUE ASTERISKS
( * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * )

And finally, you might also want to take a look at THIS OTHER POST as well.


And now back to the original post, already in progress...

[/EDIT]






Yes, that's right, I said a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo, with a Tachometer!



Despite the fact that no such kit exists, you CAN do it, and here's how:


First of all, you'll have to locate a dash kit for a 1994-1995 Trooper. --- I ordered mine from these folks:


Pro Car Parts
9319 Telstar Ave.
El Monte, CA 91731
(626) 656-2900

Here’s the link for their 1994-1995 Trooper Reverse-Glow Kit


^^^ (No affiliation - Yadda,yadda,yadda)



Next, if you trust your mechanical skills enough that you think you can get this far with the dash removal…



…then you’re almost home-free! (If not, then I strongly suggest that you farm-it-out!)




NOTE: Don't forget to read the 'RED ASTERISK POST' before starting your installation!
(There is some helpful information there that is directly related to this section)




Once you have the dash torn apart, if you’re the type that actually reads the instructions, you’ll notice that they recommend that you leave the needles on the gauges… Well guess what? – You can’t… at least not with most of them. --- The centers of the needles for the Temperature, Battery, Oil Pressure, and Fuel are all larger than the holes in the original panels… therefore, you’ll have to take great care when removing them, and make note of their positions (and in all likelihood, you’re still going to have difficulties. *More on that later*)

After you have removed the clear plastic cover, and very carefully removed the needles, you’ll need to remove the tiny screws that hold the panels in place…



…It’s not THAT difficult, but whatever you do; don’t drop any of those little screws… They’re a real bugger to find!


* HELPFUL HINT:
In the photo above, notice the small notch that’s cut out of the top of the white gauge cluster (Just above the 4000-RPM mark on the Tachometer). --- You’ll need to make one of these on each side so that the wires for your new inserts can be routed out of the top of cluster. – I used my trusty Barlow pocket knife and a pair of needle nose pliers, and managed to do it without dropping any fragments onto any of the instruments below.




The needles for the Tach and Speedometer are a little bit more forgiving than the others, provided that you have a steady hand and don’t slip-up. --- With the same knife, I made a careful cut from the edge, over to the center hole on each one of these two gauges; and doing so made it possible to remove them without disturbing the needle settings. --- Just make sure that you don’t upset those needles while you’re working on them, because if you do, your readings are going to be wrong when you’re done. (*Again – More on this later*)




So, moving right along…



…You’re ready to start replacing some of those panels!



Right about now is a pretty good time to address where you want to route the wiring. --- I chose to come-up through the bottom of the interior part of the dash, right under the gauge cluster… It’s plastic, and easy enough to cut through, right? --- Well, almost…



…But not quite.


If you’ll look at the above photo, you’ll see some metal peeking through the lower part of the steering wheel. --- Well guess what? – It’s as sharp as a razor! --- Do yourself (and your knuckles!) a huge favor and put some electrical tape on all of those edges! --- Before I noticed it, I was already cut to ribbons and bleeding all over the place.



The rest of this project is relatively straightforward – All except for replacing those removed needles…

The best suggestion that I have is this:
Before ever doing this project, you’ll probably want to make note of where all of your needles point when you’re at full operating temperature… Then you can save yourself a hole lot of work by leaving the dash torn apart until AFTER you’ve let your motor run for quite a while, and put all of the needles back on, making sure to match those known readings. --- If not, then you’re going to have a period of trial-and-error wherein your gauges are indicating things that aren’t even remotely close to reality. (Ask me how I know! )



If you’re lucky, then the rest of this project is a breeze…



…The best thing to do is test and re-test as you go along.


Once you reach the point of worrying where to connect to a power source, you’ll note that the instructions say NOT to connect to the factory dimmer… But without taking the steering column apart to get to the main switch, how else can you make sure that your new dash lights will be controlled by the on/off switch? --- Well, here’s what I did:

Since I already had the lower dash panel off, because I was finally connecting the lights for my Rancho gauges as part of this project, I’d already lined-in on the factory dimmer and established which of the three wires did what… Therefore, I already knew that the one at the top of the switch connector (the one that sits all alone, above the other two) was the main lead wire… And I already had a blade splicer block installed on that wire. --- I simply opened-up the splicer and added my red power wire… Then I ran the black ground wire to an existing ground, and I was all set. --- Because I was tapping power out of the source line, BEFORE it reached the factory dimmer, the new dash lights came on with the switch just as they should… and using the factory dimmer had absolutely no ill effects on them, whatsoever.



Before buttoning everything back together…



…I double-checked everything and made sure that I had addressed any potential problems. (Well, OK… Everything but the settings on a couple of my gauges. – I’m going to have to take it apart at least one more time to get those right. )


* ANOTHER HELPFUL HINT:
If you’re the type that has to have everything EXACTLY right, then you might not want to do this installation.

It’s relatively subtle, but the fact is, the side gauge panels are not a perfect fit… There’s a small gap at the bottom of both of them. --- But if you’re like me, and you're doing this installation because you had to replace some dash bulbs anyway, and you figure ‘So what if it’s not 100% right? - 95% is good enough!’ then by all means, GO FOR IT!



Here are the 'ALMOST' final results:



NOTE: For the REAL final results, scroll down to the 'BLUE ASTERISK POST'.


You've probably noticed that the idiot light panels are still black. --- This is because I didn't specify that I have a manual transmission. - The lights are in a somewhat different configuration for the automatic... In fact, a few are completely different.

Still, it's not too shabby, if I do say so myself. --- Nonetheless, since I have to open it back up again anyway, I'm probably going to check into the availability of a set of manual inserts.



* ONE LAST HELPFUL HINT:
When everything is all hooked-up, and you’re trying to find a suitable location for the new dimmer switch… Try not to let your fingers come in contact with the exposed circuitry on the back of the switch panel! --- OUCH!



Cheers!
Smiley


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Bigpoppax2
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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #588477 - 09/07/04 04:16 PM

Smiley, you are starting to follow a certian Armenian fellow in his bling bling footsteps.

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Bigpoppax2]
      #588510 - 09/07/04 05:14 PM

Quote:

Smiley, you are starting to follow a certian Armenian fellow in his bling bling footsteps.






Yeah, well...
When I start talking about installing glow-ring headlights, and taking the body off of the frame, cutting out several inches, and dropping an Amigo body in its place... THEN you can start to worry!




Cheers!
Smiley

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #588572 - 09/07/04 07:03 PM

Actually I do think they are kind of cool. It's just not my cup of tea. Seems more like something I would have put in my old CRX.

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #588599 - 09/07/04 08:13 PM

Smiley, that's awesome. Way to stick it to the man, and not letting the whole 95.5-97 rodeo incompatibilities get you down. IMHO, It's worth it for the xtra articulation, nicer interior, etc.

So the question is, have you found a way to get the rest of the instrumentation to match the color of the guages? I've posted about it once before, and nobody seemed to know. the main concern is the buttons lights - those REALLY tiny ones? Finding a gel to fit over those buggers is going to be really tough.

Oh, and BTW, where did you put the new dimmer? So, I guess this means that you have to adjust the instruments and the rest of the dash lights separately, right?

If I can find a way to match the rest of my instruments, I'm totally game. Looks too cool to pass up.

Nice Job.

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: BobDole]
      #588742 - 09/08/04 12:53 AM

Quote:

Smiley, that's awesome.



Thank you!




Quote:

Way to stick it to the man, and not letting the whole 95.5-97 rodeo incompatibilities get you down.



[Begin J.J. 'Dyn-o-mite' Walker Mode]

"Yeah… Well, you know… What can I say?"

[/J.J. Mode]




Quote:

IMHO, It's worth it for the xtra articulation, nicer interior, etc.



"xtra articulation" ?????

Ummm…
Ahhh…




Quote:

So the question is, have you found a way to get the rest of the instrumentation to match the color of the guages? I've posted about it once before, and nobody seemed to know.



* Wait! – I think I can work with this one! *

The main hang-up is that I received the upper and lower idiot light inserts for the automatic transmission-equipped Trooper. --- The question is: Will the manual transmission inserts match-up with what I have on my Rodeo? --- And the answer is: I don’t know yet (but I hope to find out!)




Quote:

the main concern is the buttons lights - those REALLY tiny ones? Finding a gel to fit over those buggers is going to be really tough.



Actually, with the new gauges set on the Green Setting - (which really isn’t all-that ‘green’ if you ask me – It’s really more like a dimmer version of the Blue Setting) – the factory lights in the switches and radio don’t look out-of-place at all… Everything blends nicely enough to suit *ME* anyhow.




Quote:

Oh, and BTW, where did you put the new dimmer?



It’s not hard-mounted yet, but for now I’ve put it under the dash, right next to (and a bit above) the left foot-well kick panel.




Quote:

So, I guess this means that you have to adjust the instruments and the rest of the dash lights separately, right?



Yep.




Quote:

If I can find a way to match the rest of my instruments, I'm totally game. Looks too cool to pass up.



I wish you nothing but the very best of luck! – Be sure to post-up (right here if you like) whenever you get around to doing yours!




Quote:

Nice Job.



Please, no applause… Just throw money!


Cheers!
Smiley

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #588764 - 09/08/04 02:02 AM

First, I'd like to say that I'm disappointed! No "First Blood" photos?! I did read that blood was spilt, yet, where are the glorious photos of your blood encrusted pinky?

Second, I read through the entirety of your writeup even though I don't even own a Rodeo! I truly enjoy reading your DIY efforts and sharing them with us all. I'm sure that I gleaned some trick or info nugget that I can apply to one of my projects in the future. Keep it up!

Jim

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Re: Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: RubyTrooper]
      #588782 - 09/08/04 03:06 AM

Jim,

Thank you, Sir… The pleasure was all mine!



As for the complete absence of any gruesome photographic evidence of my O-positive spillage… I don’t suppose you’ve seen the movie ‘Kill Bill Volume 1’ have you?

If so, then recalling the scene that took place in the restaurant/dojo might give you some idea of the obscene quantity of blood-loss that I was experiencing. --- I think the last thought on my mind at the time was of grabbing my camera! – Besides, the shots probably wouldn’t have turned-out anyway, because of the free-flowing stream of blood that would have been covering the lens!


Seriously, before I even knew what had happened, I was seeing red EVERYWHERE! --- I grabbed the roll of paper towels that was sitting beside of me and ran straight in the house.



I really can’t stress this point enough:
Watch out for the edges of that metal dash bracketry; that stuff is S-H-A-R-P!


Cheers!
Smiley

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`99 VX (sold)
`98 SLX
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Re: [MORE INFO ADDED] Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #589647 - 09/09/04 11:59 AM

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NEW INFO! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



OK, so maybe I’m an idiot. --- If not, at the very least, I should have thought of this before now!


Anyway, here’s what I just realized:



^^^ Note the missing black instrument panel insert to the left (Alternator/Battery & Engine Temp).


In my original post, I mentioned that there were small gaps at the bottom of the side-gauges, where the new panels weren’t a perfect fit. – Well, there don’t have to be. --- All you’d need to do is remove the little screws and leave the original inserts right where they are… Then simply put the new inserts in on top of them and replace the screws.



“But Smiley… What about the Needles???”

I was gettin’ to it.



Because their settings are almost immediately accurate from the moment you turn the key, the two top gauges (one on each side - Alternator on the Left, and Oil Pressure on the right) are the easiest to get the needles back where they’re supposed to be. – You know what position they should be in, or pretty darn close, right? --- SO, if you only remove those two, then you have a very good chance of slipping the new inserts over the remaining needles, leaving them completely undisturbed!

Afterward, it’s simply a matter of turning the vehicle over, and replacing those two top needles (which would be a breeze by comparison to how I did mine!)



If I hadn’t read those blasted instructions, I might have figured this out on my own, beforehand, and saved myself a whole lot of trouble.


Hope this Helps!


Cheers!
Smiley

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Re: [MORE INFO ADDED] Installing Reverse-Glow Dash Lights (w/ Tach!) in a 1995.5-1997 Rodeo... [Re: Smiley]
      #589707 - 09/09/04 01:11 PM

Well, I guess now I can blame you for "making" me spend money. I think I will order it as soon as you find out about the manual inserts- I've got the 5sp too (insert rock on emoticon here).
It's just to cool. I'll let you know what I find out for the buttons.

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