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so this DOESN'T open up any motor swap possibilities to the 4 cyl. mua5 because it's a different/integrated bellhousing, correct?

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Manual tranny question.... now that one I can do You are correct, if you have a 2.6 with an MUA5 behind it, then your only engine options are the 2.6 or 2.3 due to the integrated bellhousing.

I know some 2nd gen Troopers have a 2.8 with an MUA5 behind it. Still integrated bell housing, but it has a different bolt pattern than the 2.6 MUA5. The MUA5 off of a 2.8 Trooper should bolt up to the 3.1, 3.4, etc that people swap in place of the 2.8

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I'm not sure if it's length, but I'll update when I get the final length figured out.

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I slid things together on the bench tonite. This combo is incredibly short. Right now, it's about 44" from the bell housing to the end of the rear output yoke. It'll close up a bit more when it's all bolted together. That's only about 10" longer than my MUA-5 now, and will fit pretty easily in an Amigo.



For comparison, from my past notes:

AW4 w/ KluneV & Dana 300: 44"
Stock 4wd MUA-5: 34" (bell housing to rear flange)
MUA-5 w/ Isuzu crawler box: 48"
4L60-E w/ Isuzu t-case adapted: 41"
4L60-E w/ Isuzu crawler box & t-case: 54.5"
4L60-E w/ NP203 crawler box & Isuzu t-case: 50.5"

Each of these could be shortened 4" - 6" with a lot of work (and likely expense) shortening and re-splining shafts. The biggest problem with the Isuzu t-case is it's long input and rear output shafts.

Comparing the Isuzu t-case to the KluneV/Dana 300 combo:


--Dan

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I'm gonna hook the 'W' (winter mode) button up to be the TC lockup as well.

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So does this mean when you push the button it will lock up only when in 4th or will it lock up in whatever gear your in? Maybe I just don't understand how a t/c really works.

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1995 Honda Passport - 1 tons - 39" Boggers

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So does this mean when you push the button it will lock up only when in 4th or will it lock up in whatever gear your in? Maybe I just don't understand how a t/c really works.

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I was looking at the stickers on the lot a few days ago; the Rodeo 3.5 DI has a transmision from USA, IIRC (and it's late for that kind of recalling). I do remember the Axiom has the same engine, but the transmission is listed as being from France.

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Dan, Isuzu info sucks on their web page. I googled and didn't find anything on the two transmissions. Where do you find all this stuff? It's not like we can stick a plug in your head and use your brain whenever we need it.

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Google is your friend The new model info comes from Jerry. The AW tranny info in general is just from finding tidbits here and there over the last few years. There are a couple articles floating around the net on the AW tranny. I think someone posted a link here to one of them within the last year IIRC. ATSG manuals have a lot of info in them. I also tend to buy a lot of JY parts once I get a feel for what I want. Unfortunately, most of them I don't end up using. I've got a pile of stuff I've been meaning to put on Ebay to get rid of...

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Dan, Isuzu info sucks on their web page. I googled and didn't find anything on the two transmissions. Where do you find all this stuff? It's not like we can stick a plug in your head and use your brain whenever we need it.

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Wayne, If you ever get any free time come on up to my place. I've got a 30-80 setting in Melissas' Trooper chassis behind the Isuzu 2.3L Turbo motor and an I have one of those auto transfer cases like Dan shows in his pictures. + a couple of MAU 5's laying around. There's no body on it, so it'll be easy to get a good look at it.

My friend Todd who had the Turbo Toyota SAS pickup at Crawloween a few years back has the same 30-80 in his pickup. Only now he's pulled the 22R turbo motor and put in a Super Charged 3.4 Toy V-6 with EFI. The guy knew his wiring. He's moved off, but I think he's probably in Utah now. Last I heard, it was holding up to the 300 hp V-6 just fine.
Anyway, if you want to see one up close, come on. Just call and let me know your coming.
I'll be taking Melissas' Trooper chassis to Atlanta in a few weeks to Jerrys' to work out the wiring and a few other things. We want to get it running before we cover it all up with the body. Ought to be a fun trip. Would be cool to get it on a dyno and find out just exackly what this little basterdized blown 2.3L will put out.
CJ

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I was looking at the stickers on the lot a few days ago; the Rodeo 3.5 DI has a transmision from USA, IIRC

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Ok, this could be leading up to some exciting swap options...

I suffered strange looks from the sales people at the Isuzu dealer this morning. I crawled under about a dozen Rodeo's and Axioms, only 1 of which was even 4wd. They had the 3.5DI Axiom, 3.2 Rodeo and 3.5DI Rodeo. I didn't see anything on the window stickers about where the tranny was from, but all autos were the AW tranny. Easiest way to ID it is that it has 1 big, long rectanular pan. The 4L30-E has two pans. Or at least, a single divided pan that looks like 2 pans at a glance.

The 1 4wd they had was a Rodeo. The transfer case is a new one. It is not the tried and true Isuzu gear driven t-case. It is something else. Looks kinda like an NP-231, but passenger drop. It's definitely a planetary reduction, chain-drive case though, and looks a bit lighter-duty than the t-case of old. Couldn't see any tags on it to ID it. According to the brocures, the t-case has a 2.05:1 reduction.

Now, the interesting part... The flange and bolt pattern on the front of the case and the tailhousing of the tranny looks just like that of the old gear-drive case. I could only see the bottom half of the flange area, but it definitely looks the same. I'd bet it is the same and they probably did it so they can bolt this t-case, and the Axiom's TOD case up to the tranny with the same tailhousing. This also means that the output on the tranny is *probably* 27 spline, again, to keep parts as common as they can. It would be very cool if it was as you could just bolt an Isuzu gear-drive case right up to it. I'd bet it is, as it's common for different OEM's to use different output shafts to their specs on this tranny. With Tera's, you could go from a light-duty, chain-drive 2.05:1 t-case in an '04 to a very stout, gear-drive 3.07:1 t-case with all bolt-ons :)

I wish now I would have checked one of the Ascenders. I'm pretty sure it uses the 4L60-E that GM uses in the Trailblazer. What's interesting is that the brochure lists the same 2.05:1 low range that the Rodeo has instead of the 2.72:1 Autotrac t-case that the Trailblazer has. If this is the same t-case they're using in the Rodeo, then that means.... that... they have a special tailhousing for the 4L60-E that will allow an Isuzu t-case to bolt up This is exactly the adapter I was thinking I'd have to make when I was working with the 4L60-E, but it's possible there is a factory option out there. I did not think to check this though when I was there.

I'm not sure who it is that is doing the LS1 swap into a VX without looking, but it's possible that a factory adapter exists from the Ascender that'll work to bolt the TOD case to the 4L60-E.

--Dan

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