Rauch_Off_Road
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From what I have read around the net if you have a 3.0 the 3.0 mounts will bolt onto the 3.4 block, which will then bolt right into the engine compartment. If you have the 22RE then it will be MUCH more work to locate/mount the engine, and you have to source a decent tranny too. It will be way cheaper and easier to do in a V6 truck. I plan to find an 88 or 89 runner with blown 3.0 when I get back to conus.
I did a little research into this one as well and came to the same conclusion. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 3.slow and the 3.4 use the same basic block? I would suggest that you look into a M series motor that would bolt right up to the existing drivetrain. THen all you would have to do is pull the complete engine, comp, haraness and swap them for your 22re and stuff.
You can source the motor mount parts needed, use an adapter plate and in she goes. The big benefit is that you won't have to mess with (and buy) a differnet drivetrain. Also, a 7m (should be about $700-$1000 with all necessary parts) will give you comparable performance, possibly even a longer powerband to the 3.4.
I have a 22re and if it ever goes I will swap in a M series motor (either 5m or 7m) but if I had a 3.slow I would deffinately go to the 3.4. For me its a question of how much time, frustration and cost. The worst scenario is to have you rig up on stands for 10+ months casuse you are sourcing parts and doing all of the necessary work and it ends up costing you more to boot.  . My rig is for driving and playing and I want it to see more dirt then driveway, but to each his own  . (a budy of mine is contemplating a lexus 4.0 v8 for his 86 rig and for all the work it would take that would be one of the coolest toys on the road)
Whatever you do document the @#$# out of it so that we can all benefit.  .
Sean
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(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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Red_Chili
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I did a little research into this one as well and came to the same conclusion. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 3.slow and the 3.4 use the same basic block?
From the viewpoint (interface) of the tranny, and motor mounts, yes if my information is accurate. In all other respects no.
The M series need the same drivetrain beefy-uped-ness as a 3.4, don't they (in a first gen W56)? The 3.slo comes with one of the right trannies. Can I get an M series, with a shoehorn to fit it in?  
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Rauch_Off_Road
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I have asked all of the peeps that have done the swap and they all have had no problems with the tranny up to 300hp, afterwards they seem to get iffy. .
I know that a lot of guys with Mk2 supras put over 300hp to them with no problems. Heck, there are even some handling around 500hp and still kicken. Reg Riemer has 490hp at the crank with his stock supra 300,000km+ drivetrain (w56) races and drives the car and its tickety-boo. 
IMHO, the w56 can handle any stock M series motor unless it is already close to the edge, even then heck they are cheep trannies from the wrecker after it grenades. 
Oh and yes, I will include the shoehorn. 
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89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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10 bolt axles hold up in Novas and Chevelles behind 400 hp also, but they are not turning 35" tall tires and multiplying all of that power 230 times like Bill is.  I am not saying that the W56 won't work, but personally I would hate to go through all of that work just to have to be careful and baby the transmission.
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Rauch_Off_Road
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10 bolt axles hold up in Novas and Chevelles behind 400 hp also, but they are not turning 35" tall tires and multiplying all of that power 230 times like Bill is. I am not saying that the W56 won't work, but personally I would hate to go through all of that work just to have to be careful and baby the transmission.
The later w series trannies (56, 58) are not that weak. They will easily handle the 200hp of a 7mge with abuse no problem. There is no doubt that the r151 is a stronger transmition but the thing that usually kills trannies other then EXTREAM amounts of power is poor maintenance. 10 old oil will make an r series tranny as demendable as a w series with 10 old oil.
Other then the 3.slow itself Toy doesn't usually sell poor quality mechanical parts.
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89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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Red_Chili
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Other then the 3.slow itself Toy doesn't usually sell poor quality mechanical parts.
Oooo, yikes. That there is Frank-bait. 
You did neglect to mention, birfields... upgradeable, however...
The boys at Marlin find the W56 ok, but the R150/R151 much more ok'er. $200 rebuild kit, and the W is more ok again I guess.
BUT, for the purposes of this thread... the W is irrelevant. No way to mate it to my knowledge. Open to increasing knowledge...
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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Edited by Bill_Morgan (10/08/03 06:03 PM)
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Rauch_Off_Road
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BUT, for the purposes of this thread... the W is irrelevant. No way to mate it to my knowledge. Open to increasing knowledge...
The w series came up because I told him it would be easier and likely cheeper to swap in a M series motor then to change the trans, tcase, mounts etc you would have to do to swap in a 3.4 and that a W series will handle the stock 150-250 hp of the M-series engines available.
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89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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Red_Chili
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Cool, not meaning to diss you in any way. But when you mentioned the 3.4 being the same as the 3.0, then went to the M series, and referenced W56, it made me think you had a way to mate the W to the V6 engines. Which I thought was not possible (at least without custom bellhousings, etc.). But...Do tell! Don't keep the knowledge a secret, if I am following you accurately...
Where's Oakey when you need him???
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Rauch_Off_Road
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Nah, I wish then you could do the swap in stages or even better you could easily mate up a 400hp+ 7mgte to the R trannies . I say we petition Toyota to use the same tranny/engine mating for all their engines then when our (grand)children get to this position they can have all the options they want. (fat chance I konw)
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89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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Red_Chili
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In stages works for me! The cool thing about the R series, esp. the R151, is that it is the ONE tranny that can mate to the 22R *AND* the V6s, IF you manage to find the 22RTE bellhousing (for the 22R-R151F, or 22R-R150 I *think* will work), or any V6 5spd bellhousing (for the V6s-R151F or native R150 for sure). So doing the tranny swap, then accumulating cash, then doing the motor swap, is very doable. *IF* you find that elusive 22RTE bellhousing, that is. And make up a hybrid clutch to handle the interface. Caveat emptor, there is an assumption string in my reasoning, I have not proven it.
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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