4x4Wire TrailTalk Forums Index

You are right. I also know and I understand where you are coming from. I never said they were cheap. But they are available. So are 4.55's. Going from 4.10's to 4.55's would accommodate 31in to 33in tires. 4.30's to 4.55's would also accommodate 31in to 33in tires. So it is doable and there are options. It goes back to Isuzu's choice to gear rather low to start with.

You do make a lot of good points Michael. I agree that you can't make a single gear set that accommodates everybody. With that in mind, I'm interested in the ratio the most people would want to make this thing happen. Once it does, maybe then Tera will look at offering additional ratios.

I hope they do. Not only because I would like to see a lower ratio, but it would also say that much more for Tera's desire to serve the customer.

My deposits are in for a 10 bolt and a 12 bolt.

As for the "installation kits", what do these consist of?

quote:

---

Originally posted by mlclark:

Lower is better and by the time you are ready to step into the 5.xx ratios, you have decided that the primary purpose of you rig is to wheel. I would take a bit lower top MPH (the engine will wind out sooner) for a low as possible crawl ratio.

Ideally, as others have mentioned, whatever it ends up to be, it might as well match one of the other ratios (Dana, Toyota, ect).

Michael

---

gears are extremely important in that no company would make a 4,5,6,8,12" kit for a truck that can't power the tire you would be able to put on it.

35's are not unreasonable for Isuzus. in fact they look quite good w/ the proportions of the trucks. there are a number of people who have put them on their rigs sucessfully.

and TSL has some other cool new sizes like 34x10.50, or you could run smaller wider tires like 33x15.50's.

we are just raising the bar a little.

really 5.13 and 5.38 are not really that different. Kinda like 4.56 and 4.77.....

i have 5.38's so i can vouch for that raio.

i would have never paid the cash to re-gear to 4.77....doesn't make sense to me for such a nominal gain. (which sounds like the $600 quote above is pretty high.....the going rate on the east coast is like $375-450)

bottom line either ratio would be a HUGE step in our aftermarket! lets make this happen guys.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bulldog:
Not to muddy the waters here, but isnt there a point of deminishing returns where lower is not necessarily better. Lower means smaller thus weaker gears, add on top of that the larger heavier tires, and you have a recipe for destruction. Also if you go too high, wouldnt the question of driveline vibration and exccessive wear of driveline and engine components come into play. I think we have to consider this before can say lets just get the lowest gears possible as the R&P are our daily driving gears and this will have a considerable impact on the longevity of our vehicles.

---

again i would say you can't have your cake and eat it too. you get to a point where you make a choice.

meaning you are talking about a SERIOUS modification to your vehicle. the trucks w/ 10/12 bolt or 10/d44 axle combos are the older amigo, trooper, pup, and Rodeo.

now we are talking about oloder vehicles retailing for 6k or less many less than 3-4k. so the above quote for re-gear and locker was $1800, then factor in a lift and tires....another at least $1500 so basically the entire price of the vehicle in some cases.

as the trucks get cheaper...many of the 88-91 troopers are $800-2500 now, people can choose these as a buildable trail rig if the aftermarket parts are available.

as far as wear and breakage......anything can break........wheeling is hard on the components of a vehicle by nature. most of these trucks would need another 60 or 80 hp and heavy feet to start breakin stuff.

nah, you know what i mean.

quote:

---

Originally posted by matthew:
again i would say you can't have your cake and eat it too. you get to a point where you make a choice.

meaning you are talking about a SERIOUS modification to your vehicle. the trucks w/ 10/12 bolt or 10/d44 axle combos are the older amigo, trooper, pup, and Rodeo.

now we are talking about oloder vehicles retailing for 6k or less many less than 3-4k. so the above quote for re-gear and locker was $1800, then factor in a lift and tires....another at least $1500 so basically the entire price of the vehicle in some cases.

as the trucks get cheaper...many of the 88-91 troopers are $800-2500 now, people can choose these as a buildable trail rig if the aftermarket parts are available.

as far as wear and breakage......anything can break........wheeling is hard on the components of a vehicle by nature. most of these trucks would need another 60 or 80 hp and heavy feet to start breakin stuff.

nah, you know what i mean.

Matt

---

Well Mathew,
Unfortunately some of us are running 2nd Gens that we owe money on. I got a deal on mine at $17,999 but its still a $24,000 vehicle after interest and about $35k with all the mods invested,so I do still care about longevity. I still believe that those who are jumping in on this are concerned about the wear and tear of their daily drivers and thus opt for the Tera gears as opposed to the truly hardcore SAS option. This whole setup is so that I can get my small cake and eat it too. When I am ready to get the Big SAS cake and go hungry is after my rigs paid off

As for the 5.13 vs. 5.38 debate, Tera is open to what we decide as a group. The development has been done for 5.13s but would only take a week to redo for 5.38s, so no biggy. It sounds like there is a pretty overwhelming push for 5.38s, which is definitely ok with me, we just need to make sure thats okay to those that already have deposits since the offer was orignally presented as 5.13. Anyways, as matt said, in the long run, the ratios are so close its really not worth getting too upset about. Having either ratio available for Isuzu would be a monumental step forward.

So lets continue with the 5.38 discussion and see if thats what everyone really wants, Tera is leaving it up to us to decide what we want as a group (incrediable flexibility on Tera's part if you ask me). In the meantime, keep sending in deposits!