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99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges
      #1092804 - 04/23/08 09:12 AM

While away last week, our 1999 4runner was towed to the local garage and the mechanic informed me that the radiator coolant has contaminated the transmission. Unfortunately, they are not confident regarding any potential repairs, with the exception of replacing the transmission and radiator. What recommendations do you guys have regarding flushing the tranny and replacing the radiator?

We've spent an enormous sum of $$ on this vechile and want to reach the 200K mile mark. She has less than 110K and seems like a black cloud hangs over her with some yearly major repair.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: KVK]
      #1092813 - 04/23/08 10:16 AM

Someone else will have to answer concerning how bad it is for radiator coolant to get into the transmission. I don't know if it ruined it or not.

There is one transmission fluid line that runs along the base of the radiator as a very small tranny fluid cooler, so some problem with that line is how they mixed.

Also do some sort of radiator coolant flush after you get a new radiator.

I bought a new radiator many years ago for my 2000 4Runner when I hit the plastic base of the stock radiator into a rock and the skidplate at the time didn't help me. I got mine from Radiator Barn. The current price is about $180. What I like about my radiator from them is the metal base (instead of plastic on the stock one) so the base is stronger and actually allows more heat transfer.

I have no idea if a tranny flush will be enough for the transmission to come through this alive. It probably depends on how long it's been like that.

I hope you can resolve the current issues. My 2000 has 160K miles now.

You should definitely do a forum search here. I see several threads within the last few years about people who have experienced the same exact problem. Note that the search here defaults to "or" between words instead of "and", so use a plus sign in front of every word, such as: +radiator +fluid +transmission

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Jeff the marmot]
      #1092831 - 04/23/08 12:41 PM

Thanks for the advice Jeff, i will do a search to "educate" myself and let everyone in on what i find.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: KVK]
      #1092862 - 04/23/08 03:45 PM

Its pretty common. On the bottom of the transmission, you have a cooler built in. The trans cooler is a metal tube, that is cooled by the coolant inside the trans. The trans cooler tube springs and leak, and the 2 mix together.

Theres a few things you can do. Replacing the radiator is the first thing.

You should be able to save the transmission. You will have to flush it thouroughly though. Easiest way would be to take it to a shop that has a transmission fluid exchanger that can "power flush" the trans. Its possible to do it yourself though. You'll need 2 big buckets and a bunch of transmission fluid. Your going to unhook both lines going into the radiator. Stick each in a bucket. Fill one with new fluid, leave the other empty. Start the truck, and fluid will be sucked out of the one bucket and dumped into the other. Keep the one bucket topped off with clean fluid until the fluid runs clear into the other bucket. The trans should work fine after you do this.

You'll also need to flush the coolant in the engine block and lines. Remove the drain plug from the block, located just above the oil filter. Remove the thermostat, and spray water into the engine via the thermostat housing with a garden hose until water runs clear out of the drain plug. Make sure to set the front and rear heater selectors to hot. After you get a new radiator and get everything back together, you might still notice some oil in the coolant, so you may need to run some radiator flush (comes in a little white bottle) through the system and drain and fill the system again

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1094767 - 05/03/08 04:51 PM

I made head way and changed the radiator this weekend, flushed the block and heater cores till the water ran clear. Reassembled with new thermostat, seal, hoses and clamps, and deconned the coolant resevoir. Everything seems ok with coolant system, and i will be checking it again next weekend.

Next was the transmission, and kept flushing until the oil ran red...only two cases (24 quarts) and it is still less $$ than a rebuilt transmisison. So now i have all put back together, and test ride her around the neighborhood, stoping on steep hills, gassing to get things moving and the "check engine" light is now on. The good news, the transmission didn't slip on the hills, so i'll take her to the garage to have the check engine light decoded and reset.

Thanks to y'all for your advice, it saved more than a few bucks. And the next beer is on me.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: KVK]
      #1094794 - 05/03/08 10:15 PM

Great! I'm glad all is well.

Take her to AutoZone and they will read the check engine light code for you, for free. Let us know what it says.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1095783 - 05/09/08 06:00 PM

"check engine light"...i've had it read twice (second opinion) and now am in need of some sound advice. Code P0325 is persistent in the '99 4runner and it is the knock sensor. From what the mechanic said, the sensor "never" goes, it is usually the wire. Unfortunately, to get to the end of the wire, the intake manifold must be removed. Being in MD, there is emission testing and i have 12 months before it needs another test to re-up the registration. Any brainstorming ideas are welcome!!!!!

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: KVK]
      #1100651 - 06/08/08 10:19 PM

Guys

I had the same problem on my 99 4Runner last week. I took it to a local repair shop and tech found the leak in the radiator. He replaced the radiator and flush the new radiator. He drained the milky transmission fluid and refilled it, but he didn't power flush the tranny. I guess the shop didn't had the power flush machine and the tech never recommended that to me. Instead he said drain the tranny every time you do the oil change for next 3-4 oil change.

I got the SUV back on Saturday evening and notice that the gears were slipping during the up shift (specially going uphill). I only drove 15-20 miles after the repair. I'm thinking of getting the tranny power flush done first thing in the morning.

What do you guys recommend. Should I take the SUV to tranny specialist like AAMCO and have them do the through cleaning or get the power flush done first?

Any advice will be helpful? Thanks

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1100694 - 06/09/08 04:52 AM

The local repair shop you went to are freeking morons! Just draining it only gets rid of about 4 or 5 quarts max. Your tranny has at least 14 quarts!

You need to flush it, either the way I described above, or take it to a place that has a power flusher. I wouldnt go to aamco.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1100711 - 06/09/08 09:41 AM

Thanks for the quick response.

I found out the hard way that they are Morons. I spoke to the tech at the repair shop this morning. He said they didn't flush the tranny but they droped the pan at the bottom and left it open over night to drain all the fluid. They have also changed the transmission filter. He also stated that the tranny only requires 7 QTS of Oil.

I'm getting the power flush done today. Just for my under standing "The Power Flush" machine will push new ATF to the tanny while the engine is running until the clean fluid comes out or does it pushes some cleaning liquid first and once that runs clean, it'll fill it back with the ATF.

Thanks again!!

Ranjha

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1100811 - 06/09/08 04:20 PM

I double checked and your trans takes 7.6 qts. I was thinking of the older trucks, those are 10.4.

Anyways, a "drain and fill" as they call it only drains a small part of the fluid. According the the FSM, its only 2 quarts out of 7.6. There is still fluid inside the torque converter and cooler lines that you cant get out unless you pull the trans, or do a power flush.

ANd there was no need to change the filter. All it is is a metal screen to catch debris. You can just clean and reuse it unless its damaged.


The power flush that I used back when I worked at a Toyota dealership worked this way....coming from your transmission going to your radiator are 2 cooler lines. One flows into the cooler and one flows out. The flusher hooks inline with this. The flushing machine is filled with clean fluid, and has an empty resiviour to collect the old fluid. You start the car and let it idle. The pump inside the trans pumps the old fluid into the machine, and new fluid is sucked into the trans from inside the machine. There is a sight glass that you monitor, and when it flows a nice and clean red color, your done. And you usually add an addative while your doing the flush.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1100885 - 06/09/08 10:03 PM

I got my tranny flushed today. They pushed 16 QTS of transmission oil through the radiator cooler lines. I drove about 20 miles after the flush, mostly on the internal roads. The slipping of gears has decreased significantly but lower gears are still slipping intermittently specially between the speed of 10 - 25 mph. The tech who flushed the tranny today suggested to add LUCAS transmission fix to the oil to get rid of the slipping. What's you take on it? Please advice.

Thanks a lot again for the information.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1101022 - 06/10/08 03:22 PM

Hey all -

I've got a 1991 4runner (automatic w/201k) that I purchased last year, only to find out later that the prior owner had not been taking good care of their baby. Since then I've had a bunch of work done on it to get it up to being ready for field work (my husband and I are paleontologists and we go out to the middle of nowhere at least a couple of times a year to work). In the past year and a half we’ve replaced the cat, radiator, installed a wider exhaust pipe, tires, done all the high mileage servicing, etc. so we’d like the thing to actually work!

Thinking that we were ready for a trip out of the southland, we took our 4-runner from San Bernardino, CA up to Cedar City, UT. On the way we had the AT light go off when driving up Halloran Summit east of Baker. We stopped, checked the manual and let the engine cool a little and went back on our way since we were due to pick my brother up from the airport in Salt Lake the next day. It went on a couple more times between there and Mesquite NV, where we stopped to check the fluids – all looked okay so we rested the truck and continued on. Every time we went up a grade and pushed the engine past 2500RPM the light would come on, but it came on more and more frequently as we kept driving.

The next morning, we found a shop in Cedar City that pulled the pan, looked at the oil and said “the oil is burned and the light is on, so you’ve probably got a bad torque converter”. There was no significant smell from the oil coming from the pan and we had experienced no slippage at all during driving. Not being mechanics, we took their word for it and left the truck in Cedar City to get a new transmission (because they said that they couldn’t just do the torque converter). A week and a half later, we pick the truck up and the light goes on again in St George. Being Memorial Day weekend and not trusting this guy’s work, we dumped our small trailer (~800lbs) and nursed the 4-runner back to So Cal. As long as the RPM’s were <2500 the light stayed off.

Potentially two other related issues that weren’t solved by the transmission replacement are poor power going up grades (we’re stuck with the semis) with significant loss in inertia if we have to brake; as well as issues shifting down from fifth sometimes when the engine is cold.

My mechanic can’t find any thing wrong in the engine end and the local transmission shop says that the unit that’s now in there is also good.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: fatalis1972]
      #1101033 - 06/10/08 04:14 PM

It's really hard to diagnose without driving the truck myself. The 3vze V6 in that truck is not known for being a powerhouse. But it is reliable if properly taken care of.

On the trans, usually if you have dark fluid its your clutches going out. Usually causes slippage, so I'm not too sure. Its a wild guess saying its the torque converter, no way to know for sure unless you tear apart the trans. Most shops wont do that. And you do want to replace the torque converter at the same time as you dont want one to infect the other with burnt fluid.


If it were me, I would have flushed the trans, and added a larger external trans cooler. That SHOULD have solved your AT temp light situation given there was no major problem with the trans.

Loss of power could be many things. Something in the ignition system (plugs, wires, distributor, igniter, coil) or the fuel system (injectors, fuel pump, fuel filter)

First thing I would try is a good tuneup (plugs, cap/rotor, wires if they look bad or test bad) and a fuel system treatment. Run a heavily concentrated amount of fuel cleaner in your tank. If performance improves, its probably a fuel issue.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1101071 - 06/10/08 07:42 PM

I drove the SUV today to my work (45 miles). The gears are still slipping intermittently. Should I get the tranny flushed again after driving couple of hundred miles? Should I add LUCAS fix to tranny? Any advice will be greatly appreciated?

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1101083 - 06/10/08 08:43 PM

Depends if there is still coolant in the transmission. While the engine is hot, Pull the dipstick and inspect the fluid. Should be a bright red. Clear. If it is opaque or milky, it needs to be flushed. If you cant tell, wipe the dipstick on a clean paper towel and have a closer look.

If the fluid is clean, then I guess it couldnt hurt to add some Lucas. I have no experience with the stuff, so I don't know.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1101089 - 06/10/08 09:00 PM

I pulled out the stick and the oil color is bright red. But I think the oil level is higher than require. I cleaned the stick with towel and dip it again, when the engine was cold, the oil level was at HOT level mark and when the engine was HOT, the oil level was couple of inches above the HOT mark. Do I have excessive oil? Should I drain a little?

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1101278 - 06/11/08 07:30 PM

Did you check it with the engine running, in park? If so, then yea, it would be a good idea to drain a little. But that wont cause your tranny to slip I don't think.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1101288 - 06/11/08 09:09 PM

I checked it in the morning - Engine NOT running, the oil level was 1 inches above the HOT mark and I check again after driving 25 miles - Engine Not running and the oil level was about 3+ inches above the HOT mark.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1101430 - 06/12/08 04:39 PM

CHECK IT WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING, and warm.

Thats the ONLY way to get an accurate reading.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1102083 - 06/16/08 05:55 PM

I checked the level while the engine running and warm, it's a inch & half over the hot mark. Should I drain some fluid or its OK?

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Ranjha]
      #1102182 - 06/17/08 04:50 AM

Probably a good idea to drain a little. But I don't think that will solve your problem.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1104937 - 07/02/08 12:41 PM

Hey, thanks for the help. The root problem of the overheating turned out to be a partially crushed and misrouted transmission cooling line. Makes sense considering the symptoms of increased AT alerts over time and at higher RPMs.

For the lack of power, I’ve had most of the things you suggested done in the past year, but I’ll get the ignition system checked and the fuel cleaner treatment run and see if the helps. It may also be that the 1991 4-runner is just a wussy vehicle. A couple of other early model owners I’ve spoken to have similar things to say about their early 1990's 4-runners and land cruisers.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: fatalis1972]
      #1104978 - 07/02/08 04:22 PM

Yup. Early 90's Toyota trucks were down on horespower.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: Adam F]
      #1105512 - 07/06/08 08:47 PM

Not to mention that automatics hogged a lot of HP as well.

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Re: 99 4runner with radiator and tranny challenges [Re: fatalis1972]
      #1105829 - 07/08/08 04:16 PM

Quote:

Hey all -

I've got a 1991 4runner (automatic w/201k) that I purchased last year, only to find out later that the prior owner had not been taking good care of their baby. Since then I've had a bunch of work done on it to get it up to being ready for field work (my husband and I are paleontologists and we go out to the middle of nowhere at least a couple of times a year to work). In the past year and a half we’ve replaced the cat, radiator, installed a wider exhaust pipe, tires, done all the high mileage servicing, etc. so we’d like the thing to actually work!

Thinking that we were ready for a trip out of the southland, we took our 4-runner from San Bernardino, CA up to Cedar City, UT. On the way we had the AT light go off when driving up Halloran Summit east of Baker. We stopped, checked the manual and let the engine cool a little and went back on our way since we were due to pick my brother up from the airport in Salt Lake the next day. It went on a couple more times between there and Mesquite NV, where we stopped to check the fluids – all looked okay so we rested the truck and continued on. Every time we went up a grade and pushed the engine past 2500RPM the light would come on, but it came on more and more frequently as we kept driving.

The next morning, we found a shop in Cedar City that pulled the pan, looked at the oil and said “the oil is burned and the light is on, so you’ve probably got a bad torque converter”. There was no significant smell from the oil coming from the pan and we had experienced no slippage at all during driving. Not being mechanics, we took their word for it and left the truck in Cedar City to get a new transmission (because they said that they couldn’t just do the torque converter). A week and a half later, we pick the truck up and the light goes on again in St George. Being Memorial Day weekend and not trusting this guy’s work, we dumped our small trailer (~800lbs) and nursed the 4-runner back to So Cal. As long as the RPM’s were <2500 the light stayed off.

Potentially two other related issues that weren’t solved by the transmission replacement are poor power going up grades (we’re stuck with the semis) with significant loss in inertia if we have to brake; as well as issues shifting down from fifth sometimes when the engine is cold.

My mechanic can’t find any thing wrong in the engine end and the local transmission shop says that the unit that’s now in there is also good.

Any suggestions?




tranny light is nothing more than a trans temp light. Time to invest in a good cooler. An ex-girlfriend had a 94 and I could get the tranny temp light to come on when using cruise in hilly terrain.

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