Red_Chili
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LONG LIVE THE MIGHTY RED CHILI!
(OK, you have to know what the Brits would say when a king died and a new king carried on the monarchy... like, 'the king is dead, long live the king'. Oh, nevermind...  )
Took delivery yesterday evening from Off Road Solutions, who I paid to undergo the pain rather than me. Mike really scrambled at the end, only charged me a part of the labor he had in it. Yet, it was quite a bit more than I expected. I really don't know how he turns a profit on these major, high-R&D-content jobs, ties up resources and because he is a good guy he doesn't feel good about charging full boat for what ends up being bit of an experiment.
After driving it, there are some very minor rough edges (like, way nitpicky, and more cosmetic issues than anything else, which I had told Mike I wanted to take care of anyway rather than him...). The fit and finish of Mike's work is factory quality. The exhaust is very nice. The motor mounts look factory. The trim job on the shroud is less than Van Gogh if you REALLY look close, but works very well. I have a lot of cosmetic and finish work to do, but...
Gotta tell ya, the biggest problem is facial cramps from permasmile. Ohmygoshandbygolly, the mighty Red Chili can now get out of its own way quite effectively. Power and torque everywhere. I suppose 5.29s are a little silly low, leaving first in the R151 tranny (lower also) optional, really. Well, third is optional too in city driving. Start in second, shift to fourth, drink coffee. It's not like it's geared too low exactly, the motor is never really buzzy revved, it's just that, well, .... this motor was made for a heavier truck, yet its not silly parts-breaking power like a Chebbie SB would be IMHO. With 20 fwd. speeds there will always be a gear that is just right, another that is fine, and another that will merely work.
It's just..... soooooooo...... niiiiiiiiiiiice.
Now, on to the shift tunnel and boots and shifters and pretty stuff, the hood mods, the center console, the ARB compressor put back in, this, that and the other thing..... 
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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Red_Chili
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By the way, I have some 22RE parts like ignitor, ECU, AFM, airbox, stuff, thingies, whatnot, I would be happy to part with cheap now.... 
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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jmsdad
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How much for the igniter and whole egr tube/valve ship to 94587? Thanks.
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Red_Chili
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I will send you a PM...
Guess I really should post this in ForSale, duh... 'twas meant to be ironically cutesy more than a ForSale post, but I will PM you.
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Esquire812
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Wow, Bill Im at a loss for words. Rare huh? Congrats are in order. Are you passing out cigars that say "It's a 3.4L"!! ??
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JWHnAtl
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Congratulations Bill. Dangit, now I'm lusting after your truck even more.
Does this mean it's officially Red Chili III?
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TheBandit
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Congrats on having more power! Where are the pictures of this beast? And the details on what things had to be modified to make her fit?
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bkg
Roll Me Over
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Took delivery yesterday evening from Off Road Solutions,
Not calling you a liar, Bill... but until pics are posted, this is all Bull... 
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Brian894X4
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That's cool. But we need pics.
Man, how come you guys in Colorado get all the cool 4x4 shops. If they were near my place, I think I'd drop the coin tomorrow to get that set up.
My junk is getting slower by the day.
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mt_goat
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Great Bill, I am hoping to join the club soon myself. I bet you want the supercharger in a month. 
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DirtyHarry
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Your rig just keeps getting better Bill. Now I want to race you. 
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Seldom_Seen
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I don't want to steal Mr Chili's thunder, but I cant resist.
Here is a teaser,
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Red_Chili
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Loc: Littleton, CO
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No thunder stolen, just trouble saved! FWIW, it seems every time Jake94 comes over, my life gets easier. I really, really am in trouble if he ever calls the debt due.
No blowers for me. Regular gas and intact ring gears por favor. Oh, and the intake roar? Priceless. Gonna hate hiding it with the hood. Deck plate mod my eye!
Harry, after driving the Taco I can see why Brian894x4 wants a sway bar or a track bar. I must have gotten used to it. With more power, comes the need for more attention. So you'd win any race.
Call Mike at Off Road Solutions and tell him you are hearing wonderful things about this mod to this truck. I think he's pretty discouraged due to 1) it taking so much longer than he or I thought, 2) his having to put more time into it than he felt good about charging me, making it unattractive for him to do another. He just needs to standardize the swap a la AllPro with SASes years ago, then turn them efficiently. For you jealous types out there, it ain't cheap! But after crawling around underneath, in, around, etc. it looks factory.
It's quite the major mod where, the closer you look, the more you see about how he went about it, and the more you like. I could have done this in, oh, a year maybe, but it wouldn't be as good as it is nor as reliable I'm sure.
I had him leave the easier details to me, like the hood, the shift tunnel, the shifters, the tach... uh... by the way, anybody know how to make an I-4 tach work with the 3.4? No, I mean really. I have JayK's article on the I-4 tach and a Chebbie V6, but mine reads 0 RPM, not something high. Mike admitted he had not tackled tachs.
She faces her virgin run tomorrow on Spring Creek. Nothing like being thrown to the lions on the first date, a 4+ trail.
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Red_Chili
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Congrats on having more power! Where are the pictures of this beast? And the details on what things had to be modified to make her fit?
I'd start with Mike's page on the swap on www.offroadsolutions.com. But, in short, just about everything, much of which I had done incrementally in the last couple years. To summarize-
Transmission (R151, but the new motor's R150 would work modified to accept the Crawlers.
Radiator, 3.0 V6 required.
Exhaust of course, Maremont 2.5" freeflow cat, full 2.5" system headers back, which was large (2.5" non-mandrel cat back sorta equivalent to 2.25 but not exactly) for a 22RE, but not anymore. My Flowmaster works fine. Really fine. Really really fine. Sooooo fine. Not too loud, just there in a really pleasing way, esp. with the Can-Back with Jake and Mrs. Jake in the back, the lovely Mrs. Morgan shotgun, and a late-night Dairy Queen directly in our sights...
Drivetrain relocated approximately 3" forward, with the attendant complications including a shifter that snakes like that python in that really cheesy movie on the SciFi channel. I did the shifter snake to make Mike's life easier, I get to do it again now with more precision... 
New motor mounts, new crossmember mounts, custom crossover running very close to the firewall requiring thought, which Mike definitely put into it. New hoses of various origin, keep the 1996 emissions, and of course the wiring harness  . It's complicated enough to intimidate me, and I have a tech degree in electronics and use to inspect aerospace ground and flight electronics. So I'm picky- and I see NOTHING to grouse about, the harness is VERY nice. Two ODBII ports, one in-cab.
In short-short: gut the drivetrain and start over. It's a little involved to do really right, & make it factory. Got some admiration at the Burt Toyota service dept. yesterday, even crude as it is till I do the cosmetics. Except for the bonehead salesman who thought I should have done a V8  . He has a 2004 4Runner with NOS. Oh, nice.  
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'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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bkg
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RE the Tach...
A club member just did this swap in his 94 4Runner - see some info here:
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OK, I'm all finished exept for the SC. I still have to replace the 22RE fuel pump with the 5VZE pump and then I'll be ready to go.
I would highly rcommend this swap. The power gain is incredible.
I made my own adapter harness by getting a wiring diagram from the donor vehicle (1997 4runner 3.4 with a 5sp) and one from the recipient vehicle (1994 4runner 22RE with a 5sp) Then I matched eveything up. Basically there is only one plug on the 3.4 computer and two body plugs that have to be spliced. I got male and female plugs from both trucks so I can unplug the adapter at any time and remove it from the vehicle if it needs to be worked on.
The only wires I had to re-run were to the speed sensor on the t-case because on the 97, the vehicle reads the speed from the ABS, which the 94 doesn't have.
As far as the AC goes, yes, you need the 97 AC amplifier. Then get the little harness it's plugged in to and adapt to the 94 harness.
For the cruise control, I didn't have to do anything except hook up the cable because it is the vacuum type which doesn't read the tach.
For the tach, I got the guts out of a smashed cluster from a 94 3.0 V6 and soldered on the 10k Ohm resistor--works great.
Exhaust, I used downey headers and had a crossover made into my existing 22RE cat back system. It crosses over in fron to the crossmember. I also had the shop install ball flanges on the headers so I can take them off at any time for service.
Crossmember, transmission, tcase, driveshafts and frame motormounts all come form a 89-95 3.0. it sits 2" foward from the 22RE.
Pilot bearing, clutch and pressure plate from 3.4 (get a reman from the Toyota dealer--it's the cheapest). Throwout bearing from 3.0.
If your 3.4 came from an auto, like mine did, you'll need an ECU & wiring harness from a 5sp 3.4, a dipstick and tube from a 95 t-100 with a 3.4, an oil pan from a 4WD 3.0, and tranny torque brakets and inspection plate from a 95 t-100 with a 3.4.
That's all I can think of for now.
Later.
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CORunner93
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Congrats!!!!.....Looks nice Bill
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CORunner93
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....Except for the bonehead salesman who thought I should have done a V8 . He has a 2004 4Runner with NOS. Oh, nice.
That sounds great until that NOS melts his pistons....Nitrous is great for the drag strip....and the drag strip.
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Red_Chili
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Yeah, no doubt. Well, he is a salesman... DOH! No offense to salesmen on this board....
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As far as the AC goes, yes, you need the 97 AC amplifier. Then get the little harness it's plugged in to and adapt to the 94 harness.
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For the tach, I got the guts out of a smashed cluster from a 94 3.0 V6 and soldered on the 10k Ohm resistor--works great.
Thanks, Brian. Now that I recall, Mike did recommend doing the tach-guts swap. I shall have to mine the boneyards for one and explore the mysteries of my instrument cluster.
I'll have to ask Mike about that amplifier. I think he must have included it, because he said when I get the new A/C hoses made (he was going to do it, but I said I'd handle it), install them, and recharge with R134a, everything should work dandy. He doesn't have many rock crawler types who keep their AC, so he has done few of them.
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'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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Seldom_Seen
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FWIW, it seems every time Jake94 comes over, my life gets easier...........
Awwwwwwww Shucks......ain't nuttin'
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Red_Chili
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Thought I would post an update. Took the Chili on a local 3+/4 trail here, Spring Creek. I avoided the first obstacle, its one of the hardest and I didn't feel like almost rolling it possibly should something go wrong.
It was definitely over-cautious. The Chili wheeled better than it ever has, no issues whatsoever. I spent time going up I-70 in 5th, where I would have been in 3rd, and 4th, where I would have been thinking 2nd was not far off. To top it off, the gas gauge moves slower now too.
Another bonus, felt with the front locker engaged: higher power steering pressure. Very light and easy steering. Nice.
Just a couple issues remain, because I wanted to tackle them myself (cheaper). AC hoses: seems like I should be able to cut the four, mate them, and have two hybrids. Maybe splicing in a port on the low and on the high pressure lines. No? But from where do I get these parts?
There is a place local to me, Maxair, who will no doubt do a fantastic job of hoses, a new condenser (do I really need one for R134a???), and a charge, for keeping my truck a couple days  and relieving me of $350.
I think I'd go with onboard air first. But on those hot days...
Secondly, there are lots of articles on making 3.0 tachs work, simple job really. If only I had one. Has ANYone made the 4 cylinder tach work with a resistor here and a mod there? Or is it a whole different animal, and do I have to locate an 88 or 89 3.0 tach somewhere (getting rare...)?
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
Edited by Chili_Man (06/24/05 11:17 AM)
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FattyCBR
Body Damage is Cool
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Re: Tach
Do you know where the tach reads it's signal from on your stock 22re (on my 98 it reads it from the ECU, which has a tach wire)? They may utilize different signals since the 22re used a distributor and the 3.4 is DIS. That doesn't answer your question, but the new signal may not be compatible with your old tach.
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Red_Chili
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Yes, but both are equally true with the 22RE and the 3.0 tach. Yet the 3.0 works with a 10Kohm resistor. My question is, how does the 4 cylinder tach differ from the 3.0, and is it possible to make it work via similar hacks?
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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bwhitehead
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Hey Bill tach are different. I just did one last year I converter an 86 22RET truck over to a 3.4 and also the digital dash over to a SR5 dash that I believe was a 4cylinder and the 10kohm resistor mod worked. I will see if I took any picts and if I didn't I will try and get some for you.
Brandon
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Red_Chili
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Ah, hi stranger! Bearing welcome gifts too, I might add. COOL! Same location as the 3.0 mod then? Surely, not the same 10Kohm, no? If it really was a 4 cylinder cluster, it would not have the telltale '6' on the tach face below the bezel IIRC.
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'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
Edited by Chili_Man (06/24/05 05:09 PM)
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bkg
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Ah, hi stranger! Bearing welcome gifts too, I might add. COOL! Same location as the 3.0 mod then? Surely, not the same 10Kohm, no? If it really was a 4 cylinder cluster, it would not have the telltale '6' on the tach face below the bezel IIRC.
If the tach input signals are the same between a 4 and 6-cyl tack, you might be able to make it work. I used a 10K adjustable pot on a 4-cyl tach to work with the 4.3 per Jay K's instructions. But if you need a 10K for the 3.0 tach, will that be enough for the 4-cyl tack, or will you need more? Ugh. Soo many questions...
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Red_Chili
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Knowing that you did the 10K mod on an I-4 tach for a chebbie V6 and it worked... and that maybe it worked with another 3.4... emboldens me to try maybe a 30K or even a 50K trim pot preset at 10K, mounted where I can get at it, and give it a go. That should cover things. Thanks, guys!
I suppose it's working as a pull-up resistor maybe? I can see from the schematic that the 22RE ignitor is acting as a grounding input in the stock setup, with the other side of the tach on the +12 rail. Wish I had a schematic of the tach itself, it would answer so many questions.
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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Jeepeater
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In the interest of preserving bank accounts of everyone reading, I respectfully request that this thread be deleted.
Thanks a lot, Bill. I thought I was already broke enough as it is, now I have to figure out how to swing this mod too.
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bkg
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Knowing that you did the 10K mod on an I-4 tach for a chebbie V6 and it worked... and that maybe it worked with another 3.4... emboldens me to try maybe a 30K or even a 50K trim pot preset at 10K, mounted where I can get at it, and give it a go. That should cover things. Thanks, guys!
Uh... yeah.. er... sure, Bill... That's what I was thinking, of couruse... 
electrical stuff makes no sense to me...
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Red_Chili
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In the interest of preserving bank accounts of everyone reading, I respectfully request that this thread be deleted.
Thanks a lot, Bill. I thought I was already broke enough as it is, now I have to figure out how to swing this mod too.
I know... I have the disease too...
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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ErikB
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Congrats- I'm jealous!
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I think I'd go with onboard air first. But on those hot days...
You just need to convince FROR or Bud or someone to start selling these:
I've offered my kit to both for free, but no takers so far... 
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Red_Chili
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Ya know what, Erik? I've got room for that bad boy. My only concern would be additional wear on the alternator bearings.
'Course, you could always send me the plans and part numbers and with two of these rolling around we might get their attention. I might need to cut another hole in my hood though...
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-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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mt_goat
Body Damage is Cool
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Yeah Bill, how long was your 3.4 engine sitting before you installed it and did you do anything special while storing it?
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Red_Chili
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Between my twiddling with it and the previous owner storing it, it sat for about a year or even more I'd say. I did crank it over a few times with the starter while on the stand.
Just did the timing belt and idler/tensioner, water pump, spark plugs, replaced the oil pan and pickup ass'y, painted the block, replaced the hoses and cleaned it up. Rear main seal too, turned the flywheel, new clutch. Pretty much it. No leaks so far.
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'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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bwhitehead
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Bill sorry for not getting back to you. Been working on my oba trying to get it finished. I didn't have any pics of the tach and my friend is out of town. He will be back on Friday. Will try to get some by the end of the weekend.
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mt_goat
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Between my twiddling with it and the previous owner storing it, it sat for about a year or even more I'd say. I did crank it over a few times with the starter while on the stand.
Just did the timing belt and idler/tensioner, water pump, spark plugs, replaced the oil pan and pickup ass'y, painted the block, replaced the hoses and cleaned it up. Rear main seal too, turned the flywheel, new clutch. Pretty much it. No leaks so far.
Forgive me if you said already but how many miles were on it? Was the rear main seal pretty easy with the motor out of the truck?
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93K. Bought from my Russian friend who buys auction vehicles and rebuilds them to the nines, this one was a parts truck because it had a manual, and Oleg likes autos.
Runs really well. If I keep my foot out of the throttle body it gets decent mileage. So far I have not gotten decent mileage very often, if you take my meaning...
Frankly, I was waffling on the rear main but had bought one and it was in the parts box I gave Mike at ORS. So he put it in after he pulled the flywheel to turn it. Just cuz. Nice touch really; the closer I look at what Mike did the more impressed I am. So I have no idea; I was advised that if it ain't leaking, it probably will after you change it (that's why I waffled)!
But I am thinking that basic good mechanical skills should yield a non-leaking seal. Assuming the crank doesn't need sleeving, and you don't sleeve it.
Darin or EB would be the info sources I would turn to on crank seal and sleeving info.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Go pop the hood on your 3rd gen and look. Now go look at your first gen in the driveway. Done.
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Oh, alright. Here is the lovely Red Chili going, um, 'topless', as a virgin run. Don't tell the family. Man, this is getting risque.
Here, the Chili has returned to propriety on our maintenance run on Argentine Pass. Hardly notice the peekaboo hood. By the way, yes, that is snow falling across the valley:
In other words, looks like before!
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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Go pop the hood on your 3rd gen and look. Now go look at your first gen in the driveway. Done.
Bill - you crack me up! Two points for you.
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Thought I would post an update for posterity. The 10K ohm resistor mod illustrated here works just dandy on the I4 tach as well - but the tach reads about 33% high. No worries, this places the reading within the adjustment range of the tach. My tach now reads, and does so accurately.
FWIW, this would also imply that there is no reason for those who want an SR5 cluster to limit themselves to the same cylinder count. Got an I4 but found a V6 cluster, or vice-versa? I'd bet you can adjust it. The easiest way is to temporarily remove the speedo, attach the harness to the cluster, and adjust the small white potentiometer on the circuit board of the tach. Oh, best to use a plastic TV tuner adjuster, you don't want to touch any wires/traces with the metal tip of a screwdriver. Second option, which is what I did, is to put shrink tube on your long small screwdriver and aim carefully.
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Thought I would post an update for posterity. The 10K ohm resistor mod illustrated here works just dandy on the I4 tach as well - but the tach reads about 33% high. No worries, this places the reading within the adjustment range of the tach. My tach now reads, and does so accurately.
Bill - this seems way too easy. For a long while, people were talking about super strange ways of making the Tach work. IIRC, even ORS hadn't figured it out yet (EDIT - not bagging ORS at all... just remember reading they didn't have a good solution). Something about the signals from the new engine being too different. Anyway, my question - what did you use to measure the tach for accuracy?
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For accuracy, I used my wife's 97 idle speed...
I'm pretty sure I am within a hundred, MAYbe two, RPM on the outside. Close enough for me. For that matter, I'd bet most Toy tachs aren't any closer. Redline sounds like redline, I would not want to take it higher. Nor would I need to. Even with the free flowing exhaust and intake, things start to fall off fairly quickly near there. Haven't run into the rev limiter yet, I think maybe that's 6 grand or so.
Not sure a 12 cylinder would still be within the tach's adjustment range.... Besides, that would be a combo of a front and mid engine design I think. Where would you put the coffee?
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IIRC, even ORS hadn't figured it out yet (EDIT - not bagging ORS at all... just remember reading they didn't have a good solution).
He just had never implemented it, he did know about it (though did not know if it applied to anything besides a V6 tach). Mike is very comfortable with mechanics and wiring (and it shows), less comfortable with eeety beeeety leeetle PCB traces and resistors. Probably tried it but it didn't survive the oxy acetylene very well. Lets all the magic smoke out that made the thing work. Very important to not let the magic smoke out.
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For accuracy, I used my wife's 97 idle speed...
I'm pretty sure I am within a hundred, MAYbe two, RPM on the outside. Close enough for me. For that matter, I'd bet most Toy tachs aren't any closer. Redline sounds like redline, I would not want to take it higher. Nor would I need to. Even with the free flowing exhaust and intake, things start to fall off fairly quickly near there. Haven't run into the rev limiter yet, I think maybe that's 6 grand or so.
Not sure a 12 cylinder would still be within the tach's adjustment range.... Besides, that would be a combo of a front and mid engine design I think. Where would you put the coffee?
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IIRC, even ORS hadn't figured it out yet (EDIT - not bagging ORS at all... just remember reading they didn't have a good solution).
He just had never implemented it, he did know about it (though did not know if it applied to anything besides a V6 tach). Mike is very comfortable with mechanics and wiring (and it shows), less comfortable with eeety beeeety leeetle PCB traces and resistors. Probably tried it but it didn't survive the oxy acetylene very well. Lets all the magic smoke out that made the thing work. Very important to not let the magic smoke out.
Got it - THANKS!
When I did my 4.3, I hooked up another tach and adjusted until they read correctly. I like your idea better. LOL!
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this thread needs more pics...
Sorry about the quality, but I was shaking with that Ruger Red Hawk breathing down my neck
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Here, the Chili has returned to propriety on our maintenance run on Argentine Pass. Hardly notice the peekaboo hood. By the way, yes, that is snow falling across the valley:
In other words, looks like before!
She already has a 3.4 and she's not afraid to use it!
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Yea I know IFS sux, but at least it's spent more time on the trail than at ORS this year.
OUCH!!! In his SIGNATURE no less.
Hey, with a weekend, some parts, ol' Miller Blue and a borrowed plasma cutter, we can solve that problem with a minimum of lost trail time. For your wife's 3.4 too... is it a good marital move to build her a truck that can kick your... um,... tailgate?
Oh, by all means. By all means.
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Oh, and coming back from Buena Vista, in traffic, moving along at a pace that we shall merely refer to as 'respectable' (with accompanying intake roar and logging some passing lane time for once) through some significant South Park winds ahead of a cold front, I got above 19 mpg.
Mind you, I've gotten worse since the swap, bordering on what I got with a floored 22RE in third, but that there ain't nuttin' to complain of, with a flying brick.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Hey Bill, did you go with Downey headers?
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Nope. Several reasons:
1) increased underhood heat, always unwelcome (esp. with a compressor there)
2) the stockers ain't bad at all
3) Downeys would prevent a behind-the-heads crossover, forcing a crossover behind the transfer case (waaaay back in my case, with a crawler, paralleling the fuel line ) and forcing either dual converters or rearranging the whole exhaust
4) durability. Cast steel is hard to beat. They also have increased heat retention improving scavenging, though I doubt I'd notice. Redoing gaskets is something I'd like to avoid. So is Downey in general.
5) noise
6) more expense, like I needed that.
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Does your exhaust stay on the passenger side after the stock 3.4 cross-over then?
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Yep. Very important design goal. Fuel and fuel lines and clutch slave cylinder (and honkin' welding cable feeding voltage from the rear dual batteries) on passenger side, exhaust on driver side. Oh, and reused the prior exhaust from the cat back.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Yep. Very important design goal. Fuel and fuel lines and clutch slave cylinder (and honkin' welding cable feeding voltage from the rear dual batteries) on passenger side, exhaust on driver side. Oh, and reused the prior exhaust from the cat back.
I'm confused. Doesn't the stock 3.4 exhaust cross over to the passenger side?
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Yep. Very important design goal. Fuel and fuel lines and clutch slave cylinder (and honkin' welding cable feeding voltage from the rear dual batteries) on passenger side, exhaust on driver side. Oh, and reused the prior exhaust from the cat back.
I'm confused. Doesn't the stock 3.4 exhaust cross over to the passenger side?
Yes it does... now... curiosity is setting in. Pictures must be forthcoming...
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Pictures must be forthcoming...
Sorry, I tried but it's so neatly tucked above the bell housing and it front of the firewall it's very difficult to see. I'll tell ya though, I held the cross over in my hand, at Mike's shop, it was an honor to hold such a fine piece of art.
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Pictures must be forthcoming...
Sorry, I tried but it's so neatly tucked above the bell housing and it front of the firewall it's very difficult to see. I'll tell ya though, I held the cross over in my hand, at Mike's shop, it was an honor to hold such a fine piece of art.
Oh, its a custom cross-over before the firewall?
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Yep, done to hot rod standards. Beautiful welds, wrapped in exhaust insulation, near additional firewall insulation that Mike added to the Chili. Room for a gnat to spare. Perfectly executed.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Yep, done to hot rod standards. Beautiful welds, wrapped in exhaust insulation, near additional firewall insulation that Mike added to the Chili. Room for a gnat to spare. Perfectly executed.
Droooooooool.... It's so not right to not have pictures of that... So not right..
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This is the work that Mike did for my 88 4runner.
The exhaust is da bomb. I had a V6 originally so the tach mod was cake walk. Cruise works, the only thing I need to do is charge the AC system and tune the FTC Mike installed from URD. Who would have thought that ORS would also be my speed shop??
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Sweet! What is the red pulley on the SC?
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URD supergrip pulley.
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Yep, done to hot rod standards. Beautiful welds, wrapped in exhaust insulation, near additional firewall insulation that Mike added to the Chili. Room for a gnat to spare. Perfectly executed.
Droooooooool.... It's so not right to not have pictures of that... So not right..
I got mine this week and here are some pics, as usual it looks like Mike did a great job http://community.webshots.com/photo/547008638/2135344530042310107mrSdec
http://community.webshots.com/photo/547008638/2415425350042310107sMGfTZ http://community.webshots.com/photo/547008638/2995637450042310107vKoMhx
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You got the updated design that he did on my truck after the first one (no flex on the crossover) cracked at the union. He also removed the firewall insulation; figured it actually trapped heat and made for a tight fit, and with the flex there just was not enough room.
Runs wonderfully.
Good onya!
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Oh wow, your's cracked already huh. I guess Mike took good care of you on that? I wondered why he sent it with a flex coupler, I thought maybe it was because I was doing the install or something.
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Mike definitely took very good care of me. It was a frustrating job for him, just prior to Thanksgiving. He remade the crossover, then discovered that to install it he would have to now drop the transmission. He needed to visit family in Texas for T-day, so I said what the heck. Picked it up a couple weeks later.
He ended up spending a lot of time on it and on some other things that suited me fine but bothered him. He is most definitely a perfectionist and does the finest work I know of. Made me a fan for sure.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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That's good, for you anyway, bummer for Mike though. When you say he removed the firewall insulation do you mean all of it, or just the extra insulation he had added during the swap? Just wondering if I should remove my stock firewall insulation.
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All of it. Allows more airflow, therefore more cooling. He also removed the heater valve; coolant flows through the core full time. I was initially concerned about this but Mike has run this config before without issue. The Toy heater design directs outside air either over the core or bypasses it. No unwanted heat at all so far.
This solved an issue with heater hose routing, where a 180* turn in very tight quarters was required to keep the valve. Much cleaner without it.
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'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
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