Jay Ayala
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Reged: 07/15/02
Posts: 1217
Loc: Hillsboro, OR.
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Okay, so on my way to work this morning I went to turn on my Raider. That is when I noticed it, the starter wasn't turning, so how in the hell will my engine start? At first I assumed that the battery must have died.
So I checked it by turning on head lights radio and dome lights. They all functioned normally. Intensities were all normal.
Then I tried again. Nothing happened. I looked down at my shifter (Automatic) and realized that the littel red indicator was pushed up a little higher then normal. So I jiggled it to it's regular position in Park.
Then I tried again. It fired up just fine. That completely baffled me. I thought to myself that must be it. It wasn't registering in Park for some reason? So I decided to test it.
I turned off my raider, I moved it to that same position, just so the little red indicator shows half way above the Park position. Then I attempted to start it. Nothing happened.
I re-adjusted the shifter into the regular Park position. Then I attempted to start it again. It fired right up.
So now I'm positive that I know why it did not start. The shift lever might be loose or the cable has to much slack that is causing the Raider not to start. So then, my question to you all is:
How do I adjust the Automatic Sifter?
'89 Dodge Raider, V6, Auto Tranny.
<small>[ January 07, 2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Jay Ayala ]</small>
Edited by DougH (04/06/04 02:12 AM)
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Geophie
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Loc: Elkins/Goshen, AR USA
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I got used to mine doing that because I had a couple other imports do the same thing. It's no big issue for me because I am the only one driving it. When it happens I just nudge the shifter back one micron and she turns over. I assume it is the nuetral safety switch.
I don't know if it can be adjusted or cleaned but if all else fails you can replace it if it is the problem. I think it is right under the console near the shifter on automatic gen1 Monteros.
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1991 4dr RS, ATK 3.0, auto, hacked mercilessly into a pickup truck and used regularly now.
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Jay Ayala
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Reged: 07/15/02
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Loc: Hillsboro, OR.
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quote:
Originally posted by Geophie:
I assume it is the nuetral safety switch.
I don't know if it can be adjusted or cleaned but if all else fails you can replace it if it is the problem. I think it is right under the console near the shifter on automatic gen1 Monteros.
Well thanks for the reply Geophie, now that you told me what to look for I did a little research. Its actually called the Inhibitor Switch. To replace it, I will have to remove the center console and a few other things.
Here this will better describe it.
[ January 07, 2003, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Jay Ayala ]
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89 Raider - V6, Automatic, rear LSD, A/C Retrofit, Cruise Control Retrofit.
Ayala: Pronounciation - Eye All Ahh!
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LandRaider
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Loc: Ocean Springs, MS
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Mine must be disconnected because I can start it in Low if I want to. hahah
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87 Raider 4.3 700R4 NP231CHD
Solid Axles, Selectable Lockers
36 inch Swampers
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IdahoJack
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Reged: 01/09/02
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Loc: Weiser, Idaho
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Jay, both my '87 and '90 had this problem. I fixed the '87 by removing the switch and cleaning it. Then put it back in as close to the shifter as possible. On my '90 I bought an entire "new" shifter at the junkyard for $35, took it apart, cleaned and lubed it, then installed it. Most of the problem on the '90 was a very loose pin roller that keeps the shifter in position. I'm sure the pin roller can be replaced, but not sure how. The center console does have to be removed, but that's about a 5 minute job--open the lid up and pull out the plastic box, you'll see four screws, remove them. Then remove the two screws on the front of the console. The entire console then lifts out. Four more screws hold the plastic housing around the base of the shifter. You should then be able to see and remove the switch--it's on the driver's side of the shifter and held on by two screws. Good luck.
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90 Montero, 2dr, AT, V6, LSD, AC, KYB shocks, bouncy seat, 182K miles, JDM engine, 87 Starion seats, tow hitch
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Anonymous
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My 89 did that for awhile too..I thought of it as a poor mans alarm
"kill switch"..only thing is once I brought it to get new tires...I left to walk around the mall (sears)..came back 2 hours later like they asked, and realized I never told them about the shifter. Had to wait another hour and a half. Got it fixed that week at a garage pretty cheaply.
Jim
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Jay Ayala
Body Damage is Cool
Reged: 07/15/02
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Loc: Hillsboro, OR.
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Oh My God, I did it. As if there was any doubt. I was able to salvage my Inhibitor Switch. Now my Raider starts without having to worry about the shift lever’s position.
Sweet!!!
Now I just climb in, put the key in the ignition and VAROOM! Man what a pain in the butt. If I new the fix was as simple as it was, I would have done it a long time ago. What can I say, PROCRASTINATION is both my friend and my enemy.
So let me tell all of you about it.
Took the center console out, easy enough just a matter of removing a few screws and bolts. It pulled right out. First thing I had to do was find the INHIBITOR SWITCH. Pretty easy.
The next step I took was to assess the damage. You may not be able to tell from these Photos, but the inside was caked with dirty grease. As a matter of fact, the switches movement back and fourth was gritty!
I made a decision to clean it and test it seeing as how it wouldn’t involve much work. I had an ingenious idea. Q-Tips!! They absorb just about anything, but they tend to shed cotton some times. So, I carefully cleansed the gritty grime away. There was quite a small amount of it. But when we are talking about something as small as this, it was pretty significant.
A final inspection shows much cleaner contact points.
I re-bolted it in its spot which involve two elliptical holes and I pushed the switch as far forward as I could then tightened the bolts. Then I tested it by putting it in Park so that it is in its normal operating position, and trying to turn the key. The Raider started just fine. Now for the real test: I pushed the lever forward as far as it would go past park, not very much play, but I pushed it anyway. I turned the key and to my surprise it fired right up. I was under the assumption that it was a bad switch. But it turns out that it was just dirty.
Total time it took me including grabbing my camera, q-tips and running back and fourth for screw-drivers and taking a quick phone call was less then 20 minutes. As a matter of fact, it’s taking me more time to organize my thoughts and posting this than it took me to SALVAGE MY INHIBITOR SWITCH! LOL!
Okay enough for now. I hope these pictures might be able to help in the future.
Jay
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89 Raider - V6, Automatic, rear LSD, A/C Retrofit, Cruise Control Retrofit.
Ayala: Pronounciation - Eye All Ahh!
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Geophie
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Loc: Elkins/Goshen, AR USA
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Excellent report, Jay. Your post should be a keeper.
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1991 4dr RS, ATK 3.0, auto, hacked mercilessly into a pickup truck and used regularly now.
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MarkG
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Loc: Scaly Mountain, NC, USA
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Archive this.
[ December 22, 2002, 12:21 AM: Message edited by: MarkG ]
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LandRaider
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Loc: Ocean Springs, MS
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Man those are some NASTY Q-tips.
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87 Raider 4.3 700R4 NP231CHD
Solid Axles, Selectable Lockers
36 inch Swampers
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