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11/27/09 08:02 AM
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Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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do the V6 Montero's have a bigger gas tank than the 4 cylinders? The 13 gallon one in the MudRaider is just silly. I swapped a 20 gallon one from a different S-10 into my originally equipped 14 gallon tank S-10, wondering if that is possible or even an option?
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IIRC the V6 tank is a larger unit, but there will be fitment issues from what I have read...I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in.
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do the V6 Montero's have a bigger gas tank than the 4 cylinders? The 13 gallon one in the MudRaider is just silly. I swapped a 20 gallon one from a different S-10 into my originally equipped 14 gallon tank S-10, wondering if that is possible or even an option?
i wish! not without a lot of custom work. Best to just bolt a fuel cell in or leave it alone
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TOASTY
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(Trail Leader)
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11/27/09 12:15 PM
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search outerlimits4x4.com there is a long range fuel tank setup that those guys use.
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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I was able to use a YJ 20 gallon plastic tank in my friends' '86 Montero. The old sheet metal tank was down to about 11 gallons after getting smashed numerous times!
I made my own skid plate/carrier in the style of the YJ original, but out of 1/4" plate on the bottom and 1/8" sides. I had to make new mounting tabs for the crossmember behind the rear axle, I cut the old ones off. A ZJ sender unit on the YJ in-tank module with a resistor added works the stock fuel gauge with good accuracy. I had to make some adapters for the fuel filler hoses, but it wasn't too hard to do. I re-routed the tailpipe to come out the right side between the spring and frame, instead of straight out the rear. It's been in there 10 years or so, now.
If I can remember, I'll take some pics of it the next time he brings the truck by my house.
P.S. If I had to do it again, I would build a full custom tank, and get the capacity at about 25 gallons by eliminating the angled front corners of the YJ tank and making it conform closer to the contours of the floor and frame.
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Temple
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11/27/09 01:10 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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IF you can weld.... this is always an option.
How to Make a Gas Tank Contributor By Steve Smith
eHow Contributing Writer Article Rating: (0 Ratings) A gas tank is a necessary part of a car or any other vehicle that uses a combustible engine. Tanks are generally made of metal, but some are also made of fiberglass and high-density plastic. You can make your own gas tank using metal-shaping tools and 12-gauge sheet metal and install it on a car, truck or ATV. You should be familiar with metal working and have a hydraulic press brake before undertaking this project.
Email Print Article Add to Favorites Flag Article Difficulty: Moderately ChallengingInstructionsThings You'll Need: Poster board for a template Sheet metal Metal cutting tools Welding equipment Step 1Create a template for the gas tank by tracing an area 3 feet long by 2 feet wide on a piece of poster board. The area will have straight, 90-degree corners. Place the template on a piece of sheet metal and trace around the edge with a grease pen. This will make one half of the gas tank; the other half will be made with an identical piece. Place the template on another piece of sheet metal and again trace the shape onto the sheet metal.
Step 2Cut out the shapes using a metal saw, carefully guiding the sheet metal through the saw to create a straight, even cut. If you have a saw with a guide, use it to make a better cut.
Step 3Place one of the sheets on a hydraulic metal press---6 inches of the 3 foot side of the sheet metal needs to be past the brake blade (the outer edge of the brake blade will be six inches).
Step 4Bend the metal to a 90-degree angle. Remove the sheet metal, turn it around and repeat step 4 for the other longer side. Repeat steps 4 and 5 on the other sheet. Both pieces of sheet metal will have two bent edges, making two halves of a gas tank.
Step 5Place one of the pieces on a work bench so the flat side is flush with the bench and the bent sides are facing up. Place two C-clamps on each corner of the bent sides.
Step 6Set the second piece onto the first, aligning the corners of both pieces bent sides. Tighten the C-clamps so half of the clamp is holding one side and half holding the other. This secures the two pieces together for your weld.
Step 7Create three tack welds in each side along the seams of the two pieces. With a gas arc welder and #3 filler bar. Make sure the two halves are aligned properly. Finish the weld using a gas welder and #3 filler bar. The welds must be leak-proof. Use extra filler, if necessary. Be careful when making the welds.
Step 8Measure the height and width of the openings on both sides of the gas tank. Trace and cut two matching sections from the sheet metal to build the sides of the tank. Secure the pieces to the tank with by making a tack weld first on the bottom and top edge. Complete the weld using another #3 filler bar.
Step 9Cut a hole for the petcock valve using a 1-inch metal drill bit (or larger if the petcock valve is larger). Cut another hole for the fuel line and fuel pump assembly. Use a 3/8-inch bit or metal saw for this step. Each fuel pump assembly is different; accurately measure yours to find the proper measurements and dimensions.
Step 10Attach mounting brackets. Measure the chassis of the car where the tank is going to be mounted. Cut two or four mounting brackets from 1/4 steel plates or steel channel bar to match these measurements. Weld them to the top of the tank using a gas welder and filler bar. Each fuel tank mounts in a different way to the car; you'll have to make yours custom to your particular vehicle.
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LRJ4x4
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11/27/09 01:39 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gast tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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do the V6 Montero's have a bigger gas tank than the 4 cylinders? The 13 gallon one in the MudRaider is just silly. I swapped a 20 gallon one from a different S-10 into my originally equipped 14 gallon tank S-10, wondering if that is possible or even an option?
Try being out West with a Gen 1 ! That tank is way to small for the MPG it gets.
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Mudraider
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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11/27/09 03:34 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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Thanks Marty, that's an option. Temple, I can weld but I dunnno about a gas tank. Sometimes it would be nice to be back where I was originally from. A lot of people (wellat least a couple) that could be helpful with that.
So you guys with the LWB 3.0 engines only have a 13 gallon tank? LM off at Mitsubishi's faux pas on that.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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11/27/09 04:23 PM
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I will have to get some pictures of the custom tank in my 87. After crushing the tank on bolders and then realizing that when towing car trailers at 9-10 Mpg that Sunday nights coming home from events just sucked. The gas stations up here close early and I could only go 100 miles between fills. I decided to build a tank. The bottom of my tank is 5/16 aluminum and with the baffles in the tank I can jack the vehicle anywhere on the tank itself. The best part, it holds about 35 gallons. I will try and get some pics of it when the weather passes.
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Mudraider
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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11/27/09 05:58 PM
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That would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Temple
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(Mudrunner)
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11/27/09 06:58 PM
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My 3.0 SWB is a 19.7tank I wouldnt get any where ever with a 13gal.
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justice
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(Roll Me Over)
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11/28/09 11:34 AM
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So you guys with the LWB 3.0 engines only have a 13 gallon tank? LM off at Mitsubishi's faux pas on that.
Who said that? The 3.0 SWB is around 18 and the LWB is a bit more maybe 23?
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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I believe the SWB is 75L and the LWB is 92L.
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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Info pulled from printed Mitsu brochure's.
'87 Raider (99% sure Monty would be the same for the year)
15.9 gallon tank.
'90 Montero
SWB 19.3 gallon
LWB 24.3 gallon.
I'd scan and paste, but I dont have a scanner :-)
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SandRaider
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(Getting the Wheeling Fever)
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11/28/09 06:00 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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If it's offroad only, definately put a fuel cell in. you don't have to worry about crushing a tank anymore and it can help your departure angle
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Mudraider
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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11/28/09 06:56 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gas tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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SO has anyone tried putting the bigger 6 cylinder tank in the 4 cylinder trucks? Fabbing up a fuel cell is out of the question for me right now.
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did a quick search as i thought this has come up before and it does not look like the v6 tank will bolt right in. link
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SO has anyone tried putting the bigger 6 cylinder tank in the 4 cylinder trucks? Fabbing up a fuel cell is out of the question for me right now.
No, because it won't fit in between the leaf springs.
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DRaider90
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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11/29/09 02:01 AM
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I wonder with the 2" body lift installed if you did the gas tank lift (that Mark and others have done) but instead of putting the 4 Cyl Tank back would you then be able to squeeze the V6 tank in between the leaf springs? I don't know the design of the gas tank so I can't mentally picture it in my head.
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No.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/02/09 01:50 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gast tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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I finally got a chance to shoot a few pics under my old Gen1 on the 35 gallon tank. This was made 16 years ago so it is not all that fresh and pretty looking anymore.
The tank uses a modified fuel sender and pickup assy. This one has a 12mm fuel line for the fuel injection pump and a longer float arm since the tank is taller than original.
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What's all that brown flaky stuff, Charlie?
Is that tank aluminium or did you say that already?
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What's all that brown flaky stuff, Charlie?
Is that tank aluminium or did you say that already?
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The bottom of my tank is 5/16 aluminum...
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0778drz110
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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12/02/09 02:58 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gast tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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What size bodylift did you run to get 35 gallons?
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What's all that brown flaky stuff, Charlie?
Is that tank aluminium or did you say that already?
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The bottom of my tank is 5/16 aluminum...
Thanks Jon! Ahoy Capt. Picard.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/02/09 08:55 PM
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There is no body lift on this truck, the tank fills very bit of space available back there from the floor down and extends under the frame rails front and rear of the tank.
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0778drz110
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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12/02/09 09:12 PM
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Re: Is there a bigger gast tank for the Gen 1's that is a bolt in?
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ohh wow cool. Another 2-3" more would be nice aswell 
Nice tank!
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/02/09 09:16 PM
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3 more inches in height would be just about 9 more gallons.
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PHIL
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12/02/09 09:19 PM
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THIS made me LOL!
(nothing to add to this thread except to fix the title typo - couldn't read GAST tank anymore).
Still laughing at Jean-Luc...
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THIS made me LOL!
Yeah, I almost passed a whole lettuce leaf through my nose during lunch when I saw that. I thought I might have been the only one...
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I finally got a chance to shoot a few pics under my old Gen1 on the 35 gallon tank.
that tank is the Shiznit! i may copy your design. 
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cdl1701
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(Wheeler)
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12/03/09 08:08 AM
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I finally got a chance to shoot a few pics under my old Gen1 on the 35 gallon tank.
that tank is the Shiznit! i may copy your design. 
I second that!.. Someone needs to start making these things up and selling them... I would probably be in for one.
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I second that!.. Someone needs to start making these things up and selling them... I would probably be in for one.
I would buy one too. It would be nice to have the extra fuel capacity.
I wish i knew how to weld.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/03/09 11:57 AM
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I would be happy to make a couple of tanks. I have one issue right now to get around in that my main Tig welder is down from a lightning strike a year ago. "I was told not to have the circuit board rebuilt" I can not weld heavy aluminum yet and I have welding jobs here to do with it.
I expect I would make them with the V6 type sending unit and pump assembly so the tank could be used with either a carby or injection.
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If you were to make some of these up, what do you think the cost would be? Not holding you to anything, but this might be a really good upgrade to save for.
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0778drz110
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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12/03/09 01:04 PM
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I'd buy one
35 gallons...some trucks don't have that much
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/03/09 01:14 PM
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I am going to check on materials costs to get up to date on the heavier alloy plates. I also need to check on the pressforming of the bottom. I can not bend that heavy aluminum here. When I was down in Connecticut I had a shop a mile away and we traded allot of work and tooling, Vermont does not work that way. It is all up here. I also need to suck in my gut and pull out the credit card for a one thousand dollar circuit board for my welder. F'n price gouge, I need to do that anyways especially if I am going to get the 6 speed tranny in my SR.
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When you come up with a number, post it up. I might be interested providing I don't have to buy all of that circuit board...
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Whats the old board on your welder look like? Post up some pics, and maybe it can be repaired. I "know" some folks who run an electronics repair shop. Wost case scenario, it's toast, and you havent lost anything.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/03/09 03:02 PM
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OT here, The Welder is a 1994 Miller Syncrowave 250. The circuit board is PN 138307 and has now been repaired at York Electronics a few times. The visual damage was to a resistor and at least one 14 pin IC. York socketed all the IC locations and mass replaced them. I have no clue if or how they test the boards. I am not sure they do test them. For $300+ I could have replaced the $20 worth of ICs myself. At this time the contactor closes but there is no output. The welder did run intermittently for ½ hr after the first time they had the board. Whenever the machine is set to remote control the High frequency is active. The local welder repair guy just says I told you so about board remans and will not come by to diagnose the welder. I think circuit board remans are in the same class as engine remans. Replace all and hope.
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I think circuit board remans are in the same class as engine remans. Replace all and hope.
Not always. If the components can be gotten, I can certainly replace them. If they're common items, I prob already have them in stock.
If you want to mail it to me, I will see what I can do. Worst case scenario, I replace a buncha stuff, and it doesnt work, and you're out shipping.
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I bet it I replace the smoked components, it will work great.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/03/09 05:40 PM
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Here is a pic of the board taken minutes ago, Everything was socketed by York, most of the IC are LF347H

I can ship this down to you tomorrow. I do want to spend some time inside the welder to see if there could be anything else that could be an issue. Heck the shop is still warm since I just finished welding on a Land Rover chassis so maybe I will go back down there.
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being a guy who did board repair for a living on a military base that board looks easily fixable. just a few board mount resistors and thru mount caps nothing to throw the board out over.
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OldColt
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(Roll Me Over)
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12/03/09 08:23 PM
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This is just a simple two layer board. Looking at it right now I question the quality of some of the solder joints the repair company did.
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Believe me, I worked with people who are 30 year experience for the federal employed side and they knew nothing about soldering and they did it for a living... I find its either you can or you can't when it comes down to it. People also tend to not clean flux up after soldering too 
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I hope you guys can get Charlie's board fixed up 'cuz I'm definitely down for a couple tanks depending on final cost. Good luck with the fix!
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Just wondering, but are baffles inside the tank needed to keep all that gas from sloshing around? Edit (just re-read and see baffles are in there)
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couldn't tell from the pics, but where did you re-route your exhaust to?
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do the V6 Montero's have a bigger gas tank than the 4 cylinders? The 13 gallon one in the MudRaider is just silly. I swapped a 20 gallon one from a different S-10 into my originally equipped 14 gallon tank S-10, wondering if that is possible or even an option?
Try being out West with a Gen 1 ! That tank is way to small for the MPG it gets.
sorry to hijack....any close ups of that gas can mount?
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0778drz110
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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12/04/09 08:39 PM
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sorry to hijack....any close ups of that gas can mount?
good luck, he no longer owns that SWB any more
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sorry to hijack....any close ups of that gas can mount?
I think I have one like it sitting on the shelf in the garage, Kris. I'll see if I can get a pic up this weekend.
EDIT: Here's a shot of what I think is the same gas can mount on my old White Monty.
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sorry to hijack....any close ups of that gas can mount?
I think I have one like it sitting on the shelf in the garage, Kris. I'll see if I can get a pic up this weekend.
EDIT: Here's a shot of what I think is the same gas can mount on my old White Monty.
Thank You. not quite what i thought i was going to see. but still cool. by the way my name is Ben.
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Ok, Ben.
That holder is a clamp of sorts. The little round "eye" on top is a screw that tightens the top plate onto the lip of the gas can as it turns. On the back of the aluminum piece was a piece of U-channel that I thought was cheesy, so I ground it off and welded a piece of one sized pipe to the plate that bolts to the tire mount and a larger size pipe to the plate that mounts to the "clamp" assembly. I then slipped the small pipe into the larger pipe and drilled a hole all the way through so a pin can be put in to make a quick release for the clamp. That made mounting the spare easier and I'm able to put other "attachments" on there with the right size of pipe.
Anyway, more info than you asked for, but there it is...
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Anyway, more info than you asked for, but there it is...
That is Fantastic! Now i have a idea and i will get on it Sunday. :)
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Is that a land rover discovery ladder on the back of your white Montero? I saw one the other day and was wondering if it would fit a gen I and it looks like it does. Great! Did you have to modify it to fit at all?
thanks,
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0778drz110
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(Body Damage is Cool)
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12/05/09 07:15 PM
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Is that a land rover discovery ladder on the back of your white Montero? I saw one the other day and was wondering if it would fit a gen I and it looks like it does. Great! Did you have to modify it to fit at all?
thanks,
yes it is, do a search for ladders there was some talk a couple weeks ago
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MontyMcV
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12/06/09 01:00 AM
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The Disco ladder can be readily made to fit.
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Is that a land rover discovery ladder on the back of your white Montero? I saw one the other day and was wondering if it would fit a gen I and it looks like it does. Great! Did you have to modify it to fit at all?
thanks,
yes it is, do a search for ladders there was some talk a couple weeks ago
I'm glad you know what was on my truck because I can't confirm what it was supposed to be for. It was on there when I bought it.
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