Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/17/06 04:16 PM
And now that I've finally found it...

Throughout history there have been a number of exhaustive searches undertaken against seemingly impossible odds.

In Arthurian times, there was the quest for the Holy Grail…
More recently folks have sought the Lock Ness Monster and Bigfoot…
And they’re still looking for Atlantis…

And like those countless intrepid seekers before me, I too have been on the hunt for a mythical beast – a 1996-97 Isuzu Rodeo/Honda Passport ‘wide track’ Dana 44 rear axle.

But it appears that my wearisome search for that elusive little bugger is finally over……… maybe.


Thanks to Car-Part.com and its vast network of associated auto salvage dealers, I have finally located an axle that is (A) priced reasonably enough that I didn’t choke to death when I read the figure, and (B) located close enough that the shipping charges won’t be outright ridiculous.

My only real concern is that I don’t particularly care for the idea of purchasing such an important component as an axle sight-unseen… It’s really hard for me to pick up the phone and place that call when I’m not 100% certain of exactly what I’m getting.

On the other hand, not being able to off-road my Rodeo since last October is really taking its toll on the less-rational side of my brain. --- I feel like a dog that’s finally caught its tail.





CPOM
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/17/06 06:17 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Call and ask if the axle came from a running vehicle. Many of the parts you buy are trucks that were just stripped apart for parts and never laid in a junkyard to rust. Many also have warranty against dead on arrival. Not really a warranty, but a guarantee that the part when you get it will be functional.

Starchild
(Rock Warrior)
05/17/06 07:24 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Junkyard axles are pretty much a crap shoot. Not to discourage you, but the one that I got locally looked decent on the outside. It had obviously been stitting outside for a while. At the time, I didn't care about the internals, since I was having it regeared, but the carrier bearings were badly pitted . The damage was not apparent till I pulled the carrier. The outer bearings were fine.

You should have a very slim chance of getting anything with a bent housing or damaged shafts, so you're pretty much looking at the possibility of worn out bearings. If that's the case, you should be able to salvage enough of your axle to get one good one.

I hope this fixes your problems, once and for all.

Andre


kobyhud
(Mudrunner)
05/23/06 10:17 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Call me crazy but I didn't know there was a width difference between the 92-95 axles and the 96-97 axles.

Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/23/06 12:42 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Koby – No, I won’t call you crazy…

But for the 1996-97 model Rodeos, Isuzu dropped the previous ‘long-side/short-side’ CV set-up and installed the IFS out of the Non-Wide-Fender 2nd Gen Trooper – including: equal-length CV Shafts, longer A-arms, longer Tie Rods, etc. - resulting in a wider track… Then, to match the added width in the front, they widened the Dana 44 to match, and compensated for the difference by changing the Offset of the wheels from Zero to 38mm in-board.

If I were to install a standard 1st Gen Dana-44 on mine, I would loose 38mm on each side – so, to keep the stance that I have right now*, I would have to install a set of wheel spacers – and I’d really prefer not have spacers if I can avoid them.

* I’m running a set of aftermarket Zero offset wheels, which on my ‘wide-track’ set-up (versus stock) provide a 38mm width increase per side.


For a while, since I was having so much trouble locating the correct ‘wide’ D-44, I was seriously considering the possibility of installing a later 2nd Gen Trooper 12-bolt axle and converting it to Leaf-sprung (or maybe converting the Rodeo over to Coil-sprung ) --- At the time it seemed like the only “easy” way of keeping the track-width that I wanted – but fortunately I can now put all of that temporary insanity behind me…



UPDATE:

My ‘new’ 1996 Rodeo axle should be arriving either today or tomorrow

Starting Thursday, I (and yes, I do mean *I* ) will be replacing and/or installing:
-- Axle
-- Leaf Springs
-- Add-a-Leafs
-- Poly Bushings
-- U-Bolts
-- Spring Plates
-- Steel 7* Shims

And hopefully I’ll be done in time to maybe sweet talk Miss Kathy into joining me for the Team Turtle Memorial Day Weekend Pre-Run at Callalantee





kobyhud
(Mudrunner)
05/23/06 01:14 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

so if I am to understand you correctly the 96-97 axles are 38mm per side wider... which equates to roughly 1.5" per side... making the axle a total of 3" wider going from ~59.5" to 62.5" wide.

I am just going to have to check that out. 3" of difference should be fairly noticable and I have a 96 rodeo to make a comparison to.


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/23/06 02:02 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

so if I am to understand you correctly the 96-97 axles are 38mm per side wider... which equates to roughly 1.5" per side... making the axle a total of 3" wider going from ~59.5" to 62.5" wide.



Yep, pretty much - but that figure might actually turn out to be a bit closer to 63" WMC-WMC. --- The 38mm offset used on the wheels might not be a 100% reflection of the total width increase of the axle.


Quote:

I am just going to have to check that out. 3" of difference should be fairly noticeable and I have a 96 rodeo to make a comparison to.



You shouldn't have any trouble at all confirming the difference with a side-by-side comparison... But you might not even need a tape measure – since you’re already well-accustomed to the 59.5” axle, the extra space between the leaf springs and the hub assemblies will probably catch your attention right away





Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/23/06 03:38 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

My ‘new’ 1996 Rodeo axle should be arriving either today or tomorrow




I just called-in my tracking number... Make that tomorrow.

Looks like it's gonna be a pretty loooooooooooooooong 24-hours





Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/25/06 10:22 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Axle arrived yesterday (stop)
It’s Limited Slip (stop)
Wrestled it into the Rodeo last night, solo (stop)
Surprisingly didn’t throw-out my back (stop)
Refuse to write my 5000th post until the bugger is in (stop)
Enjoy the quiet (stop)





Starchild
(Rock Warrior)
05/25/06 10:53 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

That has to be the most concise Smiley post ever

Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you.

Quote:

Refuse to write my 5000th post until the bugger is in (stop)





I guess you'll be burning up the phone lines when you need to ask for help

Good luck

Andre


TrooperJ
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/25/06 12:04 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Axle arrived yesterday (stop)
It’s Limited Slip (stop)
Wrestled it into the Rodeo last night, solo (stop)
Surprisingly didn’t throw-out my back (stop)
Refuse to write my 5000th post until the bugger is in (stop)
Enjoy the quiet (stop)




At 41 words, ive seen shorter...
Good luck!
-J


barak
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/25/06 04:53 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

I can verify that putting in an axle by yourself is not an easy job.I've done it twice , with shocks and springs still attached.I have done everything on the truck by myself , which some people think I am nuts , but then again , I am

TrooperJ
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/25/06 08:04 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Closest ive come to pulling/putting an entire axle out/in is pulling the rear 3rd from my 85's 10 bolt. and or pulling the axle when i did my add a leaves

This shouldnt be much harder, assuming you have a flat surface/a couple of jacks to wheel it around on.
-J


Bansil
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/26/06 04:37 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

congrates

By in the rodeo do you mean in the back????

I've never seen the bottom...or the carpet in the rodeo before .

I'll call you today about the old axle.Be careful.

Bansil


Rodeo Guy
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/26/06 06:20 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

I've taken out and reinstalled my d44 a few times by myself. Note: it is a lot lighter without the brake calipers and axleshafts. Without those, my scrawny little self can pick it up and heave it into my pickup's bed. With everything installed and ready to bolt back in, I can heave it onto the floor jack to jack it up.

The front axle assembly is heavier than it looks too. I was trying to remove it by myself and when I got it loose, it slipped off the jack and landed on my forehead.


Bigpoppax2
(Roll Me Over)
05/26/06 09:39 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

When is the surgury scheduled for? Do you need a camera man?

Just kidding, I'm pretty well swamped this weekend but if you run into anything you can't handle give me a shout. I'll be the first one to hold one up high if you do get it all by your lonesome.

Joe


Richard Saylor
(Roll Me Over)
05/26/06 11:53 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

The front axle assembly is heavier than it looks too. I was trying to remove it by myself and when I got it loose, it slipped off the jack and landed on my forehead.




That helps explain some of it ...

Richard


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/27/06 09:23 PM
The 'new' axle is in...

Two and a half days of hard labor………… $0.00
Being so sore that a truckload of liniment wouldn’t ease the pain………… $0.00

The sense of satisfaction & accomplishment for a job well done………… PRICELESS!



The deed is done – the axle is in – and the Rodeo handles better than it did since the day we go it (or so I will be happy to keep telling myself )… Now, if everyone will excuse me, Miss Kathy and I have not seen one another for more than 5 minutes at a time since Wednesday afternoon.

(* I’ll post the photos and details later)





Madcat
(Rock Warrior)
05/27/06 09:33 PM
Re: The 'new' axle is in...

Congrats on getting the axle installed, and reaching 5000 posts.



Madcat


Starchild
(Rock Warrior)
05/28/06 09:48 AM
Re: The 'new' axle is in...

Congrats Smiley

Gald you got the results you were after, and are back on the road.

Quote:

(* I’ll post the photos and details later)




pics of you working on the truck, right?

Good job,
Andre


strawmyers
(Isuzu Moderator)
05/28/06 10:06 AM
Re: The 'new' axle is in...

Quote:

Now, if everyone will excuse me, Miss Kathy and I have not seen one another for more than 5 minutes at a time since Wednesday afternoon.

(* I’ll post the photos and details later)




Remember, Jeff... this is a family-friendly environment Congrats on a job well done!


TrooperJ
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/28/06 11:00 AM
Re: The 'new' axle is in...

Congrats, smiley!

Didja get the locker in, or are you looking at replacing it with an aussie still?
-J


Bansil
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/28/06 11:23 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

The deed is done -->> Now, if everyone will excuse me, Miss Kathy and I have not seen one another for more than 5 minutes at a time since Wednesday afternoon.




Well hotrod,that explains why your answering service didn't work last night

congrates on the completed job ,

I'll call you in a few hours.

Bansil


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/28/06 01:04 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Remember, Jeff... this is a family-friendly environment



Quote:

Well hotrod,that explains why your answering service didn't work last night



Not to disappoint you guys, but heating-up a frozen pizza and watching a re-run of Law & Order C.I. is about as scandalous as the evening got… and that sure didn’t stop Rubo from calling


*I just re-read my previous post*

Ooooooooooooooooh, OK, I get it now
I've really gotta watch that wording, huh?


Anyway, thanks all



And for those that have been waiting, here's Part One of the Axle Installation Story:


Thursday:
With the axle sitting in the back of the Rodeo, I spent the day helping my friend Paul work on his geriatric Massey-Ferguson farm tractor...



…in sort of a ‘you help me with this, and then I’ll let you use my garage’ arrangement.


Friday:
Before I could make it back over to Paul’s to finally get started on the Rodeo, first I had to do a little something for Miss Kathy (something that I had been promising to do for the last couple of years) – namely: to bid a fond farewell to the last remaining ‘junk’ car in our driveway…



…and Kathy was so pleased to see it go, she could hardly contain herself


Only THEN was I free to get busy swapping that axle – but I didn’t take anywhere near as many photos as I had hoped… I was just too darned busy.


Once I got to Paul’s, the first order of business was to fix it so that I didn’t have to disconnect the brake lines, and save myself the trouble of bleeding the brakes when I was done, so…


I took the brake lines...


^ The 'new' axle



^ The 'old' axle



And broke-out the old trusty Sawz-All...


^ The ‘new’ axle



^ The ‘old’ axle


By cutting those tabs, disconnecting the brake line extension, and removing the calipers, I was able to lay the entire assembly on top of the frame rails, out of the way, and reuse the whole shebang on the new axle



* End of Part One

Sorry - Kathy and I have a Memorial Day Weekend Block Party to attend…
I’ll continue things from here, soon (but probably not today, for obvious reasons )





Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/29/06 04:40 AM
The 'new' axle is IN...

Part Two:

Apart from cutting those brake line tabs, the removal was pretty straightforward…
-- Secure the vehicle on jack stands, while leaving the jack under the hog’s head
-- Disconnect the drive shaft
-- Disconnect the breather tube
-- Disconnect the shocks
-- Remove the U-bolts
-- Remove the shackle bolts and let the weight of the axle rest on the jack

And since the new axle came with the emergency brake cables attached – and since the teeth on my old emergency brake lever were rounded-off (making it ‘POP’ loose without warning)…
-- Remove the old emergency brake lever
-- Disconnect the emergency brake lines

And since I was also replacing the springs…
-- C-clamp the new spring packs
-- Remove the center pins
-- Install the Add-a-Leafs
-- Install the 7-degree wedges
-- Install the new center pins

Then…
-- Remove the shackles bolts on the old springs
-- Remove the forward stationary spring hanger bolts
-- Remove the springs from the Rodeo


It was right here that I discovered something on the driver’s side that has undoubtedly been contributing to those funky handling characteristics that I’ve been complaining about…
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Fortunately for me, I just happened to be performing this swap at Paul’s Little Shack of Miracles, where there are literally thousands upon thousands of spare parts to choose from… and in this case the MacGyver-inspired remedy came in the form of a large, thick, circa World War II, solid steel (non-zinc-coated) washer – which was then carefully welded into place using a stick welder that’s probably twice as old as I am.

It may not be a permanent fix, but it’ll have to do for now.

(And NO, conveniently, I don’t happen to have any photos of the sadly-out-of-practice welding job that adhered the washer to the spring hanger – but YES, it’s fugly with a capital FUG )



Once the spring hanger debacle was addressed, the rest of the job went *rather* well…
-- Snake the driver’s side emergency brake cable past the exhaust (That’s a trick!)
-- Roll the old axle out from under the Rodeo on the jack
-- Install the new springs into the stationary hangers
-- Roll the new axle into position
-- Work the driver’s side emergency brake cable past the exhaust (Easier the 2nd time)
-- Install new Poly Bushings into the new springs & frame hangers
-- Install the shackle bolts
-- Install the new U-bolts (Well, on ONE side, anyhow)…


It was here that I discovered that those 7-degree wedges were maybe just a bit too steep of an angle. --- With the springs still sitting a full-drop, the pinion flange wasn’t lining-up with the drive shaft flange… this was because I’ve never have gone back and flipped my old carrier bearing cross member, so the drive shaft was resting on it, and therefore unable to mate-up with the pinion flange.

Dang it! – And the angle of the pinion flange was darn-near perfect too

But rather than cut the cross member any more than it already is (there’s a drive shaft clearance notch cut out of it already) – and not having the time or equipment to flip it - I decided to go the easier route…
-- Go out and buy a set of grade-8 Allan-head specially fasteners of suitable size
-- Move the axle farther down the springs, out of the way
-- C-clamp the spring packs
-- Remove the old ‘new’ center pins
-- Remove the shims
-- Install the new ‘new’ center pins

Which basically put me back on course…
-- Install the U-bolts
-- Re-install the brake calipers
-- Mount the tires
-- Drop the Rodeo back on the ground
-- Re-install the drive shaft
-- Re-install the emergency brake lines
-- Install the ‘new’ emergency brake lever
-- Re-connect the breather tube


And then – after triple-checking everything – it was time for a test drive.

The very first thing that I noticed as I eased out of the garage was how perfectly the clutch engaged… The erratic release point that I’ve lived with for so many years was 100% GONE!

Once out on the road, it was like a completely different vehicle… It went right where I pointed it, and didn’t suffer from even one of the symptoms that I’ve been dealing with for longer than I care to remember.

It may not have a locker anymore (for now, anyway), but at least it’s safe to drive again – and that’s a whole lot more important to me





Bansil
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/29/06 07:06 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Haha Smiley the little finger video rocks

Good job,glad to her she's running again.....oh and I would have taken the old convert bug off your hands.

Bansil


RubyTrooper
(Mudrunner)
05/29/06 01:25 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Haha Smiley the little finger video rocks



Yeah, yeah, it rocks, but...I was expecting a third frame with blood squirting forth! What, Smiley, no first blood drawn?! Even with such a major undertaking? Something smells in Denmark.


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/30/06 11:54 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Something smells in Denmark



Yeah, my subconscious must have picked-up on that whole ‘lack of blood’ thing too…

So, yesterday morning, while still recovering from the Block Party (* not the beverages, but the food! ), I headed back over to Paul’s for some additional punishment.

With his 1964 Allis-Chalmers loader/backhoe doing the shoving, we set about convincing a derelict Jeep J-20 onto his old tandem-axle flatbed trailer… and mayhem ensued.

--- Our first attempt lacked the required trajectory, resulting in the J-20 dropping off the side, ‘see-sawing’ the trailer off of the hitch - which in-turn resulted in the coupler tearing the tailgate right off of Paul’s pickup

--- Attempt #2 went quite a bit better… up until the point where I was giving some last second spotting instructions to the guy steering the J-20, wherein my eyes were focused more on the work at hand, and less on my footing – so I ended-up finding the wide open space located between the decking plates, and ‘POOF’, out of sight I went – knocking the immortal snot out of my right shin and knee cap in the process.

I was pretty-well hobbled by that one, but my injuries didn’t prevent me from assisting in the deconstruction of that J-20, and removing the full-width front Dana 44 – of which I am now the proud owner





Bigpoppax2
(Roll Me Over)
05/30/06 04:30 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Would that be a drivers side drop or passenger? Do you know the width? If it's useable, nice free, find.

Joe


RobG
(Roll Me Over)
05/30/06 04:51 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

J20's are passenger side. The ones I've seen have been no shorter than 65"... but more like 67", basically fullsize and definitely wider than wagoneer. some have flat tops and also can be found 8-lug.

-Rob


TrooperJ
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/30/06 08:23 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

So how would that go with a 62.5" axle? Will it be too wide, or would running wheel spacers get it close enough to run? How much difference is TOO much difference when it comes to width of axles f/r?

Im bookmarking this page, cause i eventually plan on running a rodeo 44 in the rear of my trooper, and a more commonly used wagoneer 44 in the front. Obviously not because of strength issues (where the 12 bolt would win out) when running 37's, but i really want more locker options than an ARB and a miller and the ability to get stronger shafts and ujoints etc...

I have a lot more research to do....
-J


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/31/06 06:22 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Would that be a drivers side drop or passenger? Do you know the width? If it's useable, nice free, find.



Tell that “free” part to my right leg!


Quote:

J20's are passenger side. The ones I've seen have been no shorter than 65"... but more like 67", basically fullsize and definitely wider than wagoneer…



Yep, like Rob said, it has a passenger-side drop, and this one measures 67 inches exactly…


Quote:

…some have flat tops and also can be found 8-lug.



Ya don’t say





This rig served as the Blaster’s Truck at a local rock quarry, accumulating a mere 69,xxx miles (and about a ton-and-a-half of limestone dust) before being put out to pasture for the last 10 or 15 years. --- But that limestone veneer has done an amazing job of ‘time capsuling’ it… As far as the driveline goes, there’s hardly any rust worth mentioning at all. --- However, there’s enough of that white powder on there that I’m still not sure if it has the coveted flat top knuckles, and Paul’s garden hose doesn’t quite reach the garage.




So I guess I should probably head back over there this week…





…and see if I can rescue this Dana 60 Full-Floater from making a trip to the crusher, huh?





RobG
(Roll Me Over)
05/31/06 07:31 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

…and see if I can rescue this Dana 60 Full-Floater from making a trip to the crusher, huh?




Not saying this axle isn't worth rescuing, but keep in mind...

beware of the quadratec t-case and the accompanying offset rear diff in the j-trucks. Also, IIRC the D60FF found in the j-trucks isn't quite a "typical" D60FF that would be found under a Ford or Dodge... the tube's aren't near as thick. its kinda like a D60FF light duty version, but don't worry, all the internals are the same.

-Rob


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
05/31/06 08:51 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Thanks for the heads-up

I'm pretty sure this one is a Non-Offset, but I'll be sure to confirm that fact.

[EDIT]

Actually, just scrolling-up and looking at that photo again - now I'm not so sure after all.

[/EDIT]





kobyhud
(Mudrunner)
05/31/06 11:51 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

We ruined one of those light duty housings on a jeep. we ended up going 14 bolt.

Bansil
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/31/06 04:50 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Smilet grab the rearend if you can:

1)it's free
2)we can gusset the tubes when we put the bridge on it.
Bridge all the way width wise,and a few tubes/plate on the frontside.It'll all be good.
3)The gears(if good)already match.

Good find,now store them away in the building and you can have something to tear down and tinker with after Momma's honey-do list slacks up.

Bansil


TrooperJ
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/31/06 05:45 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Talking about that front axle being 67" and the rear being 62.5....

Quote:

So how would that go with a 62.5" axle? Will it be too wide, or would running wheel spacers get it close enough to run? How much difference is TOO much difference when it comes to width of axles f/r?
-J




Anybody?
-J


CPOM
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/31/06 08:25 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

What I can tell you is OEM's and 4x4 guys often run wider front axles for steering ability.

I have seen wheel spacers commonly used from 1" to 3" so you could if you wanted to get spacers to get as wide as, or a hair under, the front.

As to what you should do, or what most people do, I will have to leave that question to someone else.


RobG
(Roll Me Over)
05/31/06 08:41 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Smilet grab the rearend if you can:




i agree, but if its quadratec, you'll get tons of driveline vibes trying to run the offset diff with a centered tcase at any speed. and its time consuming to retube the thing so the diff is centered.

-Rob


Wareagle
(Body Damage is Cool)
05/31/06 09:15 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

Quote:

Smilet grab the rearend if you can:




i agree, but if its quadratec, you'll get tons of driveline vibes trying to run the offset diff with a centered tcase at any speed. and its time consuming to retube the thing so the diff is centered.

-Rob




AS a former 77 Waggy owner, I'd say skip anything that says quadra-trac. Also, I think all 8 lugs have rear d-60 w/ passenger offset.


kobyhud
(Mudrunner)
05/31/06 11:44 PM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

To answer a previously made question. I would say within about 3" of eachother on axle width is pretty workable. The biggest difference you will find is going to be in wheel width and backspacing. Its amazing how wide 15x12s are with 2" of backspacing. They really make 38" TSLs SOOOO wide. While a neutral 15x8 makes almost no difference at all in width compared to a stock isuzu wheel and tire combo.

I always have to get my pipe in... I have a set of axles... stock isuzu 44 rear from my 95 rodeo with a 79 waggy axle built, locked and loaded ready to go to the best offer.


Smiley
(Trail Leader)
06/01/06 10:07 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Thanks for all of the input, guys – much appreciated


I do intend to try and snag that D60 today (if Paul hasn’t already hauled it off) – but if it’s offset, I seriously doubt if I’ll attempt to make it work on the Rodeo.


That raises a question:
Aren’t there some vehicle owners out there that actually might WANT the offset – like some of the more hardcore Rover and TLC folks?

If I rescue this thing, it would be nice to know that there’s a better and more productive place for it to go than to sit forever in the floor of my garage.





lttlbddy
(Body Damage is Cool)
06/01/06 10:33 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

Quote:

you'll get tons of driveline vibes




Can't you run a CV joint on the shaft to fix this?


kobyhud
(Mudrunner)
06/01/06 11:28 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

CV joints won't correct for that much offset. 1-2" of offset is about the max for correction with a CV. I have heard that you can get away with like 3"...

Just so that Rob's point was clear. if it is a d602 or a quadratec 60... the tubes are much thinner than a normal dana 44. Even if you truss it you have to consider that if it is fully floating then all of the weight of the vehicle has to be supported by the axle tubes. With the thin walls you will see deforming at either end of the tube especially at the housing or at any point where you rachet anything down on it. The one we destroyed was deformed over half an inch just by properly torquing down the ubolts.

The good thing about it is that it may be fully floating and it should be 35 spline shafts.


RobG
(Roll Me Over)
06/01/06 11:56 AM
Re: And now that I've finally found it...

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The good thing about it is that it may be fully floating and it should be 35 spline shafts.




yea, whats picked above is definitely a full floating axle, but like koby knows, the tube thickness makes it fail in comparison to what you think of a typical D60 to be. Also, the shafts would be 30-spl. you didn't see 35-spl FFer's until the D70 (now the semi-float version would be 35spl).

All this said, its not like rear D60s are terribly tough to come by or that expensive. If thats what you've got your eye on and this turns out to be a quadratec, I would certianly pass it up knowing its not all that hard to find a "real" D60 and even find one at a bargin. there's also its bigger cousin, the 14bff, where if you pay more than $100, you're crazy.

Fact is, those quadratec axles aren't really sought by anyone... there's always special cases, but don't expect to move it fast at a premium price.

-Rob





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